Magnets, motion and measurement

[norman6538]

Thanks for the numbers Floor. But what is the distance traveled? Work has to include the distance. By the way Floor are you in the US?
Norman

[Floor]

@Norman6538

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg541917/#msg541917

0.27930 mm of weight bottle travel per degree on either the RO or the SL scale.

I will post the actual measurement set values. I don't have them (note book) with me
right now.

US yes.

Earlier in this topic you were referring to a "stick spot" in the twist drive interactions. 
Were you referring to, when the two magnets are at a right angle to one another ?

                regards
                          floor

[norman6538]

Floor asked "Were you referring to, when the two magnets are at a right angle to one another ?
   regards    floor "

When the magnets are at right angles moving toward or away from each other there is no resistance to movement but when close together they want to twist so  they  line up apposite poles attracted. And when they twist there is attraction. More twist gives more attraction. The Brute force/weight to separate them when they are twisted is very close to the work the twist lifted.  But I have enhancements to reduce that.

So pushing together when at right angles is almost nothing but then to undo that and separate there is attraction which I call the "sticky spot". 

So when it comes to measurement I need to know the weight and distance that it takes to push them together and to separate them and compare that with the work lifted.

I have made 10 different machines and they all measure over 200% out over in.\

Thanks again Floor for sharing this with us.


Norman

[ayeaye]

Norman, you evidently have never tried to measure overunity, or then show one case when you did.

Like your Lafonte scissors. This was just balancing forces, balancing forces is not overunity. And all your setup can be explained by the Coulomb model. Unless you measure that it needs less force to close the scissors in one way than in the other way. But you never tried to do that. And this is evidently also not what Lafonte tried to show.

I understand all the fascination of playing with magnets, and all the skill and knowledge it requires, but just playing with magnets no matter how complicated, has nothing to do with overunity, Unless overunity is what you want to show, but this is evidently not what you and Floor have ever tried to do.

I'm sorry, i understand all the resentment, and all your effort you put into this, But if i see that someone is just wrong, i feel that i have to say that. Why not instead try to really show overunity, then all your efforts are not in vain. If your aim really is overunity, i possibly cannot know.

One may think that i am here for some selfish goal, and i just try to convince others that my experiments are right and others are wrong. No this is not right at all, i'm an honest person. All i do is for overunity research, and as this forum is about overunity, then this is what i think is right to do. And i don't think that no one else is ever right, like what Naudin said that separating magnets side wise and front wise takes different energy, i think he was onto something, and this was really showing the difference from the Coulomb model.

[citfta]

Ayeaye,


You are correct that in my video where I measured forces by using a digital fish scale I did not show the whole picture because I did not compare those forces with the distance traveled.


However Floor and Norman have both shown measurements including force and distance traveled.  Yet for some reason you continue to deny what they have shown.  In both of their testing they have shown the forces involved and the distances traveled.  Why you continue to say they haven't is a mystery.


You have said that you would rather theorize than experiment.  And that is fine if that is what you want to do.  For me personally I have learned a lot more from my testing and experiments than any theorizing.


All your posts about the Coulomb theory mean nothing if you can't demonstrate your theory.  And not to demean what you are doing but I really have no interest in the Coulomb theory or any other theory if it can't be demonstrated.


So I will ask again to please keep your theories to your own thread so we can concentrate on real experiments and testing.


Respectfully,
Carroll