Magnets, motion and measurement

[Floor]

Notes to Tinman's design :

1. The design Tinman is currently presenting, is a design variation
of one presented by user LowQ / Vidar.

2. I think that the device will stall.

3. The shielding magnet array needs to be designed such that it
can be held to a sliding motion which is precisely along a vector, which is
90 degrees to a line which is directly between the centers of rotation of the two gears.
That vector must also be parallel to the plane of rotation of the rotating magnets.

4. That sliding vector must also be centered with the rotating magnets in terms of up and down.
( by up and down I mean, parallel to the axis of rotation of the rotating magnets)

5. The first implementation of it should have only 2 magnets on each gear, 4 total.
You can always add the rest of them later.

6. The 2 magnets should be space at 180 degrees around the gear.

7.  Gear on left is rotating cw gear on right is rotating ccw.
The shielding magnet /s will need to be pulled back, just AFTER top, dead, center
position of the two repelling / rotating magnets is reached.  Other wise the device will stall.

8. The shielding magnet /s will need to be returned to their original position well before
the next set of magnets arrive at top, dead, center.  This is why to use only 2 magnets per
gear initially.

9. Unlike the (classic design /  fail)  rotating V gate with bouncing sticky spot avoidance,
Vidar's / your design will produce energy / can self run.  But only by a reciprocating motion
of the shield.  In my humble opinion.

Vidar's design has elements of the newton's magnet design, but is more like this design
below "rackAction2.PDF" attached below.

   Again best wishes and keep up the good work !
         floor

[Floor]

@citfta  / All readers
These devices are based upon start, complete, stop motions.

citfta,  in your video demonstration you allow the output magnets to begin their motions
AS THE SHIELDING MAGNET IS BEING REMOVED.  Because of this, your demonstration is NOT ACTUALLY
ONE OF THE MAGNET INTERACTIONS I have been presenting. 

The DEVICE ITSELF is representative of a particular design.
The modality of its operation is not.

If however you will hold back the expansion of / between the output magnets, until the shielding magnet has
been COMPLETELY removed,  your build would THEN, be functioning in accord with the described manner of
operation / modality.

Very nice demonstration.  Very nice build. Your device illustrates certain actions splendidly.

If you can find the time to do so, would you video / redemonstrate the actions with the output magnets
held back, until after the shielding magnet has been completely withdrawn.

This is a CRITICAL element of the designs, and it seem that most every one has not and does not at this
point, realize this.

Again
  Thank you very much for your build and demonstration !

          regards
                     floor

[citfta]

Hi Floor,

Sorry for the slow response.  I have been on vacation for 9 days with my wife and two granddaughters.  Here is the video you asked for.  I have made one change since the last video.  I did add another magnet to each of the repelling magnets.  The action is much stronger now with a little increase in the effort to remove the shield magnet.   Also I see now that I only have to move the shield magnet a very short distance before the other magnets start to repel.  A short quick movement of the shield magnet gets a very quick response from the repelling magnets.  You can see this in the video.

https://youtu.be/tUHtlruVSus

Enjoy the short show,
Carroll

[norman6538]

Nice work Carroll, now you need to measure the work in and out.
And if you pair 2 of these together like Lafonte you can reduce the work in.

But those magnets are thick and further weaker applies to the power out.
If you could shave off 1/8 inch of the magnet it could make a difference
but I don't know how to  do that - BUT IF YOU TRY BE CAREFUL OF FRAGMENTS
GETTING INTO YOUR EYES.

Norman

[Floor]

Nice work Carroll, now you need to measure the work in and out.
Norman

@ Norman

I think it's not a good idea for you to be telling user CITFTA what he"needs to do"

@CITFTA

Thanks for the new video.  It a major / critical point of importance.

I am certain you are allready aware, but the force between the repelling output magnets drops off rapidly with distance. 

If the shield is still partially in place as those repelling magnets are moving farther apart, the force in that repelling is not at the maximum as it could have been, if the shield were completely absent. 

By the time the shield is completely out of the way, that maximum force is lost for good, because the outout magnets have allready moved beyond the point of their maximum
repelling force.


ALso

Sorry I wasn't communicating very clearly at an earlier point but

What I intended to convey, about adding another magnet, was to place it in the shield position.
                  Like in this attached pdf file below "MagForceShield 6.pdf"

   best wishes
           floor