re: energy producing experiments

[Toolofcortex]

How come the space probe gets to gain pulse advantage and not a machine here on earth?

What if there was a way?

What if you can get a localized orberth advantage? Why wouldnt you?

The space probe thing is just as illogical.

[Delburt Phend]

The concept being investigated by the Atwood's machine is that: as increments of balanced mass are placed at the circumference of the Atwood's wheel; then increments of drive mass have to be placed at the shaft in order to keep the rate of acceleration constant. That constant acceleration is confirmed by a constant velocity at the gate.

The increment of balanced mass (67.5 g both sides) placed at the wheel circumference is; in this experiment; 135 grams.

F = ma predicts that the increment of mass placed at the drive location on the shaft should be about 7 grams. This 7 grams will compensate for the added mass at the circumference and the acceleration will remain the same. This means that the speed at the gate will remain the same at .83 m/sec.

So now lets do the math for energy conservation.

The energy produced is ½ *  .135 kg * .83 m/sec * .83 m/sec = .04650 joules.

We know that the distance that the drive mass drops is only (20.45 mm * pi) 64.24 mm: and potential energy is Nm, so now we need to find the newton needed to produce the final amount of energy (.04650 joules).

So N * .06424 m =  .04650:  .04650 / .06424 m = .724 newtons

Now we need to change newtons into kg:  .724 newtons / X  = 9.81 N / 1 kg: X = .0738  kg

So energy conservation predicts that we should add 73.8 grams to the drive mass at the shaft.

I know what will happen if you add 73.8 grams to the drive mass at the shaft: but I guess I should go do it and get real data.

1-18-20 The Atwood's (gate and flag) had to be set up again so the number may not match the last runs.

The gate trip times for a wheel with a 219.87 g drive mass at the 20.04 mm shaft. And no mass at the circumference.   (The string has a diameter of .45 mm so I add that to the diameter for calculating drop distance.)  .0291, .0291, .0292, .0292, .0291 sec.

The gate trip times for a wheel with a 219.87 g + 7.01 g drive mass at the 20.04 mm shaft. And no mass at the circumference.    .0285, .0285, .0287, .0287, .0286 sec.

The gate trip times for a wheel with a 219.87 g + 7.01 g drive mass at the 20.04 mm shaft. And a balanced mass of 135 g  at the circumference.    .0297, .0293, .0294, .0295, .0295 sec.

The gate trip times for a wheel with a 219.87 g + 72 g drive mass at the 20.04 mm shaft. And no mass at the circumference.    .0246, .0247, .0247, .0247, .0248 sec.

The gate trip times for a wheel with a 219.87 g + 72 g drive mass at the 20.04 mm shaft.  And a balanced mass of 135 g at the circumference.    .0253, .0254, .0254, .0256, .0254 sec.

The drive mass of 7.01 g added was the closest but not on top of .0291 so I then decided to try to hit the added mass that would get us back to .0291. This meant the wheel had to move a little faster so I tried 8.75 g of added drive mass. 

The gate trip times for a wheel with a 219.87 g + 8.75 g drive mass at the 20.04 mm shaft. And a balanced mass of 135 g  at the circumference.    .0291, .0291, .0291, .0291, .0290 sec.  Wow: good guess

The gate gives us a speed of (27 mm gate distance / .0291 sec) .9278 m/sec at the gate; and .844 m/sec at the surface of the wheel. And the formulas for F = ma predicts a speed of .886 m/sec.

Whoa that is .886 / .844 = 1.04976   = 5%         I'll take it      F = ma wins

[Toolofcortex]

There was rumors, evidence (internet evidence), that the UFO's had a layered material. With the Schwartz thing popping up I believe that now.
This sort of thing goes on on the electronic side of things.

This is a thread about mechanical things, so we are gonna talk about that.

Extra energy could perhaps be a possibility, but only in a few ways. A physical characteristic that is not well defined is reaction force time.

http://www.halexandria.org/dward133.htm

Since static physics is well defined we cant discover anything, whatever they say, goes, 100%. So lets go where they dont even have formulas for yet, areas to discover have to do with lag of reaction force during impulse.

Now you must find a way to input a disconnecting flywheel onto a greater flywheel, and find an arrangement where the delay is so delayed
that you actually have time to physically decouple using a system that you make. Thus causing a bug in the system and every action or lack of has a reaction, now we are entering the zone, that has a beat frequency. Using an eccentric wheel, one can translate an intermediate wheel in high tension or no tension zone, and if a squeeze static  wheel is there to limit the movement an oscillation  can be had between it and the input static wheel wich is attached to the input motor.

Now the magic happens when you communicate with the stuff around you, at the magic frequency,This will cause a vacuum to form with the universe and you will take in energy from a localized orberth effect from the universe just as a space probe. Slowing the universe down.

We must find ways to oscillate things in the varying of the acceleration, pulse, the third derivative wich will interact with the universe. For the goal is to use a machine that has a localized orberth advantage,


And you cant constantly gain velocity either, at some point you must connect to release the energy and disconnect the output so start back up, and so on. In a sawtooth fashion.

Lets say the third derivative oscillation resonates to soften things, it preps the area for you to suck it in.

[Delburt Phend]

I think F = ma is fairly well understood but it got replaced with Conservation of Energy: about 150 years ago.

The only experiment that I remember NASA doing in the 'cylinder and spheres' area was the Dawn Mission and other such satellites . Energy conservation is a loser in the Atwood's and it is a loser in the ballistic pendulum and all collisions. But when NASA makes predictions (never backed up with data) they chose energy conservation. Go figure: NASA goes to the Moon with Newton and then picks Leibniz to predict the velocity of the extended spheres in the Dawn Mission.

The Dawn mission is a despin satellite that had a mass ratio of cylinder mass to sphere mass of about 400 to one (1420 kg to 2.7 kg).  For energy conservation NASA predicted that the spheres would only be traveling about 23 m/sec at the point of release.  Well why release the spheres at all? The 2.7 kg moving 23 m/sec would only give the 1420 kg a velocity of about .05 m/sec. That is slower than the 3 rpm back spin that they actually got and they released the spheres. They never released data on the velocity of the spheres. Can you guess why?

When the 2.7 kg moving 23 m/sec returns its motion to the satellite it must comply with the laws of physics. The ballistic pendulum tells us what those Laws are: small object can only give their momentum to a large object, they can not give their energy. And the end rotation of the satellite would only be about 5 cm per second.

If on the other hand the 2.7 kg were moving over 400 m/sec then the rotational motion of the satellite would be restored and you would be back were NASA started. Would anyone think that you would not be back were you started if you left the spheres attached?

It is only that NASA thinks that energy conservation must occur that this 23 m/sec (a 12 year old boy can throw this fast) idea could have arisen.

Newton lost this debate; but he should have won. We would have had free energy long ago.   

[Toolofcortex]

If only you had a complete motor arrangement to go along with this.

Could you engineer a QMOgen/motor with what I described to you above?