What should I do if...

[pulp]

There is already invented such a device and it is called - air conditioner 

[conradelektro]

I don't have money to patent the configuration. How can i have benefits from this claim?

This phrase shows that your mental capabilities are very limited and that you deserve not to have money. Therefore the "if" you dream about is absolute nonsense.

But in general, you can not hold on to a monumental discovery.

What you are talking about (converting heat into electricity without putting more energy in than you get out) would not be an "invention" but the discovery of a not yet known physical property of the universe. And there would be (if it is a real discovery, not just a silly confusion) thousands of ways to exploit this new discovery. Can you patent all the possibilities? You can not patent a discovery, just means to exploit it.

Then come the practical issues: if the discovery is really important, everybody (big money, the military, any government supporting its industry) will take it out of your hands and there will even be thousands who claim that they have made the discovery themselves.

But do not worry, there will not be such a discovery, just your self delusion.

Greetings, Conrad

[dieter]

Ah, Cinrad, don't be so harsh.


Anyone remember my Watermotor that was driven by water evaporation? It was using the heat of our atmosphere, so all it did was turning heat into torque. It did violate the 2nd law, since in only cooled the surroundings, but had no heat losses by its own.


The university of colombia has picked it up, developed it further and is now financially backed by the US Dept. of Energy, as well as by some Companies.


Of course I didn't get any money... that in fact seems to be a real physical law. Those who invent are the unsung heros.


BTW. thread opener: don't trust lawyers. The guy who invented the Drinking Bird Sci-toy, his Lawyer stole his plan and patented it in his own name...


kr

[conradelektro]

Anyone remember my Watermotor that was driven by water evaporation? It was using the heat of our atmosphere, so all it did was turning heat into torque. It did violate the 2nd law, since in only cooled the surroundings, but had no heat losses by its own.

The university of colombia has picked it up, developed it further and is now financially backed by the US Dept. of Energy, as well as by some Companies.
kr

Could you point (links) to some information about your Watermotor. Does the University of Columbia offer any information online? Or ist a big secret?

This is not an attack, I am just interested.

But a violation of the second law of thermodynamics is a tall claim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics (just a reminder what this empirical observation says).

I could accept that your Watermotor draws eventually the energy from the sun which heats the atmosphere (evaporating water like everywhere on the earth). So, it is not a closed system we are talking about. Evaporative cooling is a valid concept and it works, but you need energy (heat from some source, e.g. from the sun) to do the evaporation.

Most processes on earth draw the energy eventually or way back from the sun. Therefore I always advocate imitating nature by exploiting the energy from the sun. The sun's energy is not endless, but endless enough on a human scale. It is pretty certain that humans will not survive the next 1 billion years, but the sun will. Therefore, endless energy as long as it will matter for us.

About making money from inventions: it is indeed true that most of the time the original inventor is left out in the cold. That has much to do with the fact, that inventors are most of the time bad business men and not ruthless enough. In my humble opinion it is also linked to the fact, that no invention comes out of the blue. Every inventor stands on the shoulders of countless inventors before him. Just the fact that one gets an education at school shows that we all need the knowledge of people before us. And which acquired knowledge was important for an invention? Who knows, but it is sure that nobody begins at zero. And poetic justice gives the fruits of an invention away driven by chance. Whoever comes along with the right talents (business connections, willingness to steal, driven by greed) takes away the winnings.

So, I question the concept of "rights earned by inventing something". The patent system has nothing to do with justice, it is an important tool of capitalism to safeguard profits.

For thousands of years people have made inventions and everybody could copy it. Only recently, at the end of the 19th century the questionable and greedy concept of "owning knowledge" came up. It is almost as bad as "owning people" (slavery). It has much to do with the rise of capitalism. But this is politics and many do not understand that everything is politics, if you like it or not.

Greetings, Conrad

[Gabriele]

mental capabilities are very limited...

Can you do better?