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The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency

Started by evostars, March 18, 2017, 04:49:26 PM

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sm0ky2

Quote from: TinselKoala on April 30, 2017, 12:45:04 AM
Those tiny incandescent lamps are called "grain of wheat" bulbs and I am happy--- and rather astonished--- to see that they are still available in this day of the ubiquitous LED.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/?_nkw=grain%20of%20wheat%20lamps


I think the onset of the LED marketplace is what has brought all these
'grains of wheat' out of there warehouses, in an attempt to unload obsoleteness.
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

I love when you guys completely ignore me....
It gives me a chance to repeat myself from multiple perspectives...


Patent 512,340::::


Clearly states that electricity flows from coil A, TO coil B.


Why then is it insisted upon that people run it in reverse?
It this intentional?  Or merely a consistent oversight?


Is there something you are looking for by creating unnecessary
losses in the system?


Perhaps we should discuss the process of induction.


Emil Lenze described this mathematically as:
V= - [d(flux)/d(t)]


What does this mean?
In short, that the Magnetic flux is induced OPPOSITE
of the direction of current.


How does that apply to our BFPC??


If we had a 'true a/c' it wouldn't matter,
But since our modern timing circuits and SG's
operate by creating a virtual-signal, we have no
negative impulse. What we have is only a positive impulse
and a virtual negative side of the waveform. (see circuit ground)


+ starting from the first coil (outside) of the BPC induces a magnetic flux that
starts at the other end of the second coil (inside).
Following the flows of current and flux, we find the flux inducing a current in the
direction of the current that induced the flux!!


This is what Tesla talks about


If you use the coil backwards, the induced flux dissipates into the surrounding area
instead of outwards to the next adjacent coil trace.


It is not just a matter of magnetic polarity, as is with the SPC.
The loss in flux creates an observable decrease in magnetic field strength.
And in turn, a loss of induction of the response current. (Lenze).




In other words (as Lorentz put it):


F = qE + qv x B


The force (F) of a charge (q) traveling at velocity (v),
through magnetic field B.


In leymans terms, when using the BPC as Tesla prescribes,
the charged particle (electron) increases in velocity.
If operated in reverse, it slows down!


You want to get around this problem?
Create a true a/c condition, by biasing two tandem SG's,
180-degrees out of phase and of opposite polarity,
to a centered arbitrary "0-point",
and you will observe symmetrical operations of the coil in both
directions.


This work-around was not possible (or feasible) in Tesla's time,
which is why he tells us HOW to use it.


Remember freshman class of basic electrical engineering





I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

We ignore this in signal processing because we are concerned with
the data, not the electricity.
Our signal generators produce the desired "waveform" on our scopes,
therefore we often forget how we got there.


Negative voltage (with respect to circuit ground) is not the same as
applying a + voltage to the other side of the coil.
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

TinselKoala

Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 30, 2017, 01:58:16 PM
I love when you guys completely ignore me....
It gives me a chance to repeat myself from multiple perspectives...


Patent 512,340::::


Clearly states that electricity flows from coil A, TO coil B.


Please quote the exact passage in Tesla's patent 512340 where he "clearly states" this.

Quote


Why then is it insisted upon that people run it in reverse?
It this intentional?  Or merely a consistent oversight?


Please state exactly WHICH half-coil of a TBF pancake or solenoid is "A" and which is "B".
What exactly do you mean by "run it in reverse"? Can you demonstrate "forward" and "reverse"
operation of a TBF coil and show the difference in some kind of instrument readings?

Quote


Is there something you are looking for by creating unnecessary
losses in the system?


Perhaps we should discuss the process of induction.


Emil Lenze described this mathematically as:
V= - [d(flux)/d(t)]

That is Faraday's Law of Induction. Lenz's law is the minus sign, indicating that the EMF induced has opposite sign
to the rate of change of the inducing magnetic field.

Quote


What does this mean?
In short, that the Magnetic flux is induced OPPOSITE
of the direction of current.


No, it doesn't.

Are you perhaps confused by the meaning of the differential d(phi)/dt? This is the Time Rate of Change of the magnetic flux.
What happens to the arithmetic sign of this value when phi is increasing or decreasing over time?

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How does that apply to our BFPC??


If we had a 'true a/c' it wouldn't matter,
But since our modern timing circuits and SG's
operate by creating a virtual-signal, we have no
negative impulse. What we have is only a positive impulse
and a virtual negative side of the waveform. (see circuit ground)


That is not true.  I don't know what kind of Signal Generator you might have, but any "normal" SG or FG can be isolated so that, for example, a sine wave output is referenced to GROUND at the zero volt crossings. This is what the Oscilloscope is telling you when the entire full cycle is half above the zero volt reference and half below the zero volt reference.

What is the difference between a "virtual negative" and a negative impulse? Which one will fail to light up a LED or fail to flow through an ordinary diode?

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+ starting from the first coil (outside) of the BPC induces a magnetic flux that
starts at the other end of the second coil (inside).
Following the flows of current and flux, we find the flux inducing a current in the
direction of the current that induced the flux!!


Do you actually understand how a TBF coil is wound? The entire coil goes in the _same direction_.  If you want to "start" at the outside, the first half winding goes from there all the way to the "inside", then the short straight series link goes _back to the outside_ and once again winds from there all the way to the inside again, parallel to and in the same direction as the first half-coil.

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This is what Tesla talks about


Again, please quote the exact passage in Tesla's patent that supports your statement.

Quote


If you use the coil backwards, the induced flux dissipates into the surrounding area
instead of outwards to the next adjacent coil trace.


Please explain how to "use the coil backwards", when it is being stimulated by AC.

Quote


It is not just a matter of magnetic polarity, as is with the SPC.
The loss in flux creates an observable decrease in magnetic field strength.
And in turn, a loss of induction of the response current. (Lenze).


Please demonstrate what you are talking about, by comparing a "backwards" use of the coil
with a "forwards" use and show the difference in induction or "response current" or magnetic field strength.

Quote




In other words (as Lorentz put it):


F = qE + qv x B


The force (F) of a charge (q) traveling at velocity (v),
through magnetic field B.


In leymans terms, when using the BPC as Tesla prescribes,
the charged particle (electron) increases in velocity.
If operated in reverse, it slows down!


Once again, please demonstrate this slowing down of electrons when a TBC coil is
"operated in reverse".

You also seem to be scrambling the multiplication operation symbol 'x' with the vector cross product 'X' and you are neglecting the electric field contribution
entirely.

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You want to get around this problem?
Create a true a/c condition, by biasing two tandem SG's,
180-degrees out of phase and of opposite polarity,
to a centered arbitrary "0-point",
and you will observe symmetrical operations of the coil in both
directions.


I am eagerly looking forward to seeing your demonstration of this "workaround".

Since we are clearly observing symmetrical operations of the coil in both directions
in every experiment involving AC that we have performed, you seem to be talking about something
that nobody has actual experience with. SO once again, please demonstrate
some kind of "non-symmetrical" behaviour of a TBF coil using a function generator or any other
form of AC or DC stimulation.

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This work-around was not possible (or feasible) in Tesla's time,
which is why he tells us HOW to use it.


Again, please quote the exact passage in Tesla's patent 512340, or any other of his
patents or other publications, that supports your statement.

Quote


Remember freshman class of basic electrical engineering

I remember, but apparently you don't.

TinselKoala

Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 30, 2017, 02:05:48 PM
We ignore this in signal processing because we are concerned with
the data, not the electricity.
Our signal generators produce the desired "waveform" on our scopes,
therefore we often forget how we got there.


Negative voltage (with respect to circuit ground) is not the same as
applying a + voltage to the other side of the coil.

And exactly what is the difference? Please DEMONSTRATE what you are talking about.