The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency

[ramset]

Zephir
Being a new guy maybe you have not seen the efforts Tinsel has made over the years to help
builders here.

he gets out the tools and rolls up his sleeves and explores any valid claims which come along. and as of this writing he still offers to do this from time to time ....

In my opinion you waste a valuable opportunity to explore your OU Circuits here ?

I myself have nothing but respect and gratitude for his efforts ,and I must add most here who actually build and share their work [open source]
feel the same way.

having a starting point for a claim is a very good thing , finding a true Anomaly is not possible until you understand what truly is possible !

Regarding Milehigh ,he has a very good grasp on the Box and what fits inside ,this too is very useful .

having limited resources and time ,most men would like to know the outline of the Box ...so as to not waste time on well trodden ground...
a true anomaly is very rare indeed..

no stone left unturned...

respectfully
Chet K

[evostars]

For the last 10+ years (something special is to be found in taking your sweet ass time....) I have studied every patent granted to Nikola Tesla which has even the slightest relation to the "Coil for Electromagnets".  In none of those documents does one find Tesla describing the current as "spiraling, or compressing inwards".......


Most theories fall short of a practical application, this is not the case with Tesla.  He presents you with an idea, even better than this, he informs us that he has stopped using "physical capacitors", having discovered, and or realized that he could "so construct the coils themselves as to accomplish the same ultimate object."  I find his documents were prepared for the thinking few, not for parrots, nor for the learned.  Ever take note of those weird statements, the ones that make no sense when you "consider" the information which precedes and the information which follows the weird statement?  These points are completely overlooked by the majority. 


Quote: 


"This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current, and the self induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency."


What you can take from this is, if you don't have those mutual relations existing between.....you don't have what he wanted you to have.  If your circuit isn't developing the special character of current.....you don't have what he wanted you to have.  If your circuit doesn't have the necessary mutual relations existing between the special character of the current, and self induction and capacity, you don't have what he wanted you to have.  In other words, your bifilar will be about as useful as milk yielding utters on a bull in heat. This is where many find themselves......a confused mess....



A confused mess...... 



The relation that I find Tesla spoke about was 90°.  The bad news if this is about power, and when isn't it about power, 90° relation means what you want is useless because its reactive.....that is the reality of this world....  Why make a useless relation the foundation of your vision.....probably because it wasn't useless....

what do you think this special character of the current is?
I've been using short pulse discharges. with a IGBT. discharging a capacitor, just like tesla used his quenched spark gaps. to produce short energetic burst of discharge.
and it  rotates through the spiral coil. In the process creating a dielectric field between the windings due to the voltage difference.

your statement "confused mess" i find disrespectful, not constructive. But thats in line with alot of other posts here.

[MileHigh]

"This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current, and the self induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency."

What you can take from this is, if you don't have those mutual relations existing between.....you don't have what he wanted you to have.  If your circuit isn't developing the special character of current.....you don't have what he wanted you to have.  If your circuit doesn't have the necessary mutual relations existing between the special character of the current, and self induction and capacity, you don't have what he wanted you to have.  In other words, your bifilar will be about as useful as milk yielding utters on a bull in heat. This is where many find themselves......a confused mess....

There is nothing to be read in between the lines with respect to the "special" character of the current.  Tesla knew full well that his coil current was not manifesting a 90 degree phase lag like it should have done if an inductor was the load.  He also knew that it was not leading by 90 degrees like if a capacitor was the load.  So he had a coil where the excitation voltage and the resulting current where in phase, which merited the term "special."  There was a exchange of electric field energy and magnetic field energy in his coil such that when you viewed it across the two terminals at the right excitation frequency it looked like an ordinary resistive piece of wire.  In the context of the times, that was "special."  Beyond that, there is nothing else to read into what Tesla was saying and he was not hinting at something extraordinary that you are supposed to link with other "mysterious phrases" in other documents to discover the "hidden secret" that he put in his documents like some puzzle to "protect himself from the Powers That Be."

[MileHigh]

what do you think this special character of the current is?
I've been using short pulse discharges. with a IGBT. discharging a capacitor, just like tesla used his quenched spark gaps. to produce short energetic burst of discharge.
and it  rotates through the spiral coil. In the process creating a dielectric field between the windings due to the voltage difference.

There is nothing special about the "special" current.  Or you can say the fact that the current is in phase with the voltage makes it special because that is not "supposed" to happen.

So I take it that the IGBT momentarily connects a large capacitor charged to a certain voltage to the pancake coil for a brief instant and then the IGBT switches off and then the pancake coil is effectively isolated again and rings down.  I assume that the ring-down event could be observed with a scope probe across the coil.

Yes, you set up a "dielectric field" between the windings that might store a few microjoules of "dielectric energy" in the coil.  During the short pulse when the IGBT is on you will also induce some current to flow through the coil and perhaps that will store of few tens of microjoules of magnetic energy.

Note:  There is a very good chance that the majority of the few tens of microjoules of stored magnetic energy actually burns off inside the IGBT during the event time of the IGBT switch-off.

Then when the IGBT switches off the pancake coil has a short epileptic seizure where the few microjoules of transient capacitive energy and the (possibly) few tens of microjoules of inductive energy bounce around inside the pancake coil and burn off in a combination of resistive dissipative energy and EM radiation energy.  The energy bounces back and forth within the physical form of the coil which would only be a fun thing to investigate for some finite element modeling junkie to crunch down at a fine granularity.  He or she could power up 10 octa-core PC boxes for two weeks and show you a really cool video clip after the big crunch-down.

Alternatively a lay person like yourself can see what is presumably a tiny ring-down with your scope event trigger.   And if you put an AM radio next to the pancake coil you might hear a tiny "tick" telling you that the epileptic seizure just took place and the pancake coil broadcast that event out into the Universe.

And then you can put on Peggy Lee and listen to "Is That All There Is?"

And this entire event can be quite accurately modeled with a flywheel.

Oops, gotta go, the phone in my shoe is ringing...

[TinselKoala]

This is common strategy and propaganda tactics of all overunity deniers and trolls. The cold fusion and antigravity findings are dismissed with exactly the same strategy for whole century already. BTW Show me, that electron exist with demonstrations and experiments of your own. You cannot.

No "antigravity" device has ever been shown to be real, and I've tested quite a few of them myself, and have even saved at least one big investor millions of dollars by pointing out AND PROVING that he was being scammed by the people who presented a fake one to him.  The "cold fusion" story is still not finished, but certainly there are scammers and frauds in that area too, Andrea Rossi being the foremost one at the moment. As far as the existence of electrons goes... you are proving it yourself by using a computer. Do you think the people who designed your computer deny the existence of electrons? Do you think CRTs and electron-beam lithography work in spite of the designers' "wrong" belief in electrons? You have passed right through folly and have made it all the way to comedy now. You get a ROFL for this! And of course I can perform my own demonstrations and experiments that prove the existence of electrons. I still have CRT oscilloscopes after all. And I use devices manufactured by EBL all the time... and so do you! ROFL!

"dismissed with exactly the same strategy".... that strategy being a simple demand for solid experimental PROOF !!

This is suspicious by itself. Prove, that you aren't agent payed with government for spreading of disbelief in overunity.

Now you are showing your paranoia, which is a mental disease. You are making the claim, it is up to YOU to prove it.  Prove that I am some kind of government paid agent!

Besides, my paycheck seems to be late this month.   

You do realize that you are a troll, I hope.