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Overunity Machines Forum



Mervace Working Magnetic motor using induction feedback

Started by Jdo300, November 20, 2006, 01:26:19 AM

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Omnibus

@allcanadian,

In the Merv case there must be some clever way of avoiding this problem with the switching. I remained with the impression there's no switch, although I can't fathom how else this kick at the 29s could be achieved. Perhaps just at the right moment two opposing fields cancel each other. What bothers me is that @peter_schmalenbach found no tangible current that could charge the cap. Stefan too. I don't remember what @tao did in this respect.

Well, as I said before, this is a guessing game which may easily be avoided if @Merv is a little more cooperative.

legendre

Harti,

When someone claims to be an innocent bystander, of events which they themselves set into motion, a little touch-up of reality is required. But of course, I will respect the wishes of the participants, with respect to flamewarring. End of topic?  ;)

About the coil.. if the reed switch were in series, in a normally-closed position, the device would behave like an oscillating relay - as soon as the coil became energized, the switch would open, breaking the current. The field would collapse, the switch would close, and the cycle would repeat.

On the converse, if the switch were in series in the normally-open position, the device would not function at all, without an external magnetic influence to close the switch. Once closed, the device would behave like a latching relay.

Correct my thinking, if I'm off.




mikestocks2006

The twisted wires seem to be non ferrous for sure.
To prove it easily you can look at the videos when the rotor is moving and the camera is stationary. Concentrate on the wire relative to the stationary device frame (Black A-Frame). There is no relative movement as the magnet passes in front of the twisted pair wire. It also looks like solid core vs stranded but not 100% clear.

Also the sequence seems important. Merv tried to move it "backwards" and it doesn?t seem to work. It seems it requires magnet movement over the twisted pair, then capacitor, then coil.

It is clear if you pause the video at the right frames, that the twisted wire is mounted both wires are the base and also in parallel with the larger (blue) cap. Maybe polarity is important? along with direction of wire twist and relative magnet movement?

Having the coil circuit open and shorting it right on the moment where the magnet is on top maybe also another key. It may help reduce or even reverse the attraction at that point. Merv might be able to shed some more light here.

I looked for info on integrated coil/reed switch but nothing too relevant as one unit. I wonder if incorporating the reed - coil as 2 units might do the trick? Reed switch activated by max magnetic flux induced when the magnet is dead center on top of the solenoid?

Caps/resistor are used to slowly dissipate the effect afterwards so there is less drag on the magnet as it moves away? Then the reed switch falls back to open position when the magnet is sufficiently away etc.

What is of high importance imo is, the ?fixed? speed it rotates there is no acceleration per se from the starting cycles to an overall steady state like regular motors.

Maybe the rotor's cycles per second has to do with the tuning/dissipating times of the solenoid/cap resistor circuit bellow?
Thanks folks, nice topics

Omnibus

@mikestocks2006,

What struck me was that at the 29th second when the actual motion began a very slight movement by the hand caused the rotor to be picked up and kicked by a field that seemed already there. Could it be that the caps were pumped by the earlier motions. Did you notice also that while he was shorting the cap at one point the rotor moved as if due to a magnetic pulse?

allcanadian

legendre that's a brilliant idea! induced current flow disconnects the circuit,current stops, switch closes.
Why the hell didn't I think of that!!
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