N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.

[AlienGrey]

I had similar effects.
Also with capacitors 100u to base . I've cooked a couple of these.
One small 100u/16v even exploded.

But that second transformer when connected in my setup, somehow everything works better.
It's pretty obvious. As if HV has a some feedback effect on the rest of the circuit.
Just my speculations.

Hi please note 'circuit diagram' 100uf cap is shown wrong way round mine charges up to 14.8 volts, not surprised it blew up.

[AlienGrey]

Please be aware Nelson also offered and published this device complete with a circuit diagram and a video it was later discussed with Nelson and that is when Nelson gave us the previous circuit offering. See pic. and notice the thick white bell wire I think this is shorted out at a certain point.

[Dog-One]

Question:

Has anyone tried this rather simple circuit in a simulator to see if they can at least get the responses several of us have witnessed with actual builds?

If no such "berserk mode" can be obtained in a simulator, how do we annotate this piece of evidence?  What relationship within such a simulation has not been established?


And no, please do not remove this post.   

[TinselKoala]

I use LTSpice and qucs, and no I haven't tried simulating this circuit. But I think the "Itsu redraw" schematic looks like it comes from a circuit simulator.

I don't think sims will usually simulate the performance of failed components or those that are used outside their specified maximum operating parameters though, so if component failure or partial failure is part of how this circuit is supposed to "work" we may be out of luck there.

Besides, Ibison's Law states that simulations can only simulate classical behaviour anyway, and if they do otherwise, (like predicting OU), there is an error somewhere.

What is the definition (Nelson's preferably) of "HV Radiant" and how is it supposed to manifest itself in this circuit, other than blowing up capacitors and transistors? The HV part I understand, I think (for me it means generally over 1kV) but what about "radiant" ? Is that OU-speak for broadband RF noise, or does it mean something else? 



I must say, when I opened this thread this morning I was rather put off by what I saw. It's enough to trigger the transformation of a nice placid TinselKoala into the dreaded Drop Bear.

[Dog-One]

I use LTSpice and qucs, and no I haven't tried simulating this circuit. But I think the "Itsu redraw" schematic looks like it comes from a circuit simulator.

I don't think sims will usually simulate the performance of failed components or those that are used outside their specified maximum operating parameters though, so if component failure or partial failure is part of how this circuit is supposed to "work" we may be out of luck there.

Yes, if a component needs to partially fail in order for the circuit to "work", then yes, it will be rather difficult to know what the next step is.  Difficult, but not impossible.

Besides, Ibison's Law states that simulations can only simulate classical behaviour anyway, and if they do otherwise, (like predicting OU), there is an error somewhere.

Well, lets suppose as I suggested, those electrolytic capacitors have an "extra" function to be coils also.  If that were to be the case, we can add some small amount of inductance to the simulation.

If the goal here is to understand this circuit, then by reaching that goal we can also improve it to where it doesn't destroy components.

What is the definition (Nelson's preferably) of "HV Radiant" and how is it supposed to manifest itself in this circuit, other than blowing up capacitors and transistors? The HV part I understand, I think (for me it means generally over 1kV) but what about "radiant" ? Is that OU-speak for broadband RF noise, or does it mean something else? 

If I were to take a stab at it, I'm guessing his "HV Radiant" is along the lines of the attached image.  Whether this stuff is real or imaginary is semi-moot.  What would be important to know is if "HV Radiant" can have an effect on classical behavior in some fashion.  I'll give you a little case in point that Graham would appreciate:

I was playing fetch with my shepherd today as I have done for years.  This dog can anticipate and track the bounce of the ball with extreme precision.  It's almost uncanny how she positions herself in just the right place.  Today, I did something that totally blew her formulas out of the water.  I put backspin on the ball when I threw it.  The ball would hit the ground and pull back towards me.  That simple change completely ruined her ability to predict where the ball would track.  The classical bounce was no longer there.  But after some time, she did begin to make adjustments allowing her to catch the ball.

So my hope is we can also make some adjustments as to how we think about these circuits.  I'm not suggesting we open our minds to the point our brains fall out, but just make small adjustments and see if we are able to catch the ball.

I must say, when I opened this thread this morning I was rather put off by what I saw. It's enough to trigger the transformation of a nice placid TinselKoala into the dreaded Drop Bear.

Graham will have it all cleaned up by tomorrow.  Don't anyone sweat the small stuff.