A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome

[h20power]

Zepher, What exactly are you doing? I took a brief look at some of your post and it seems to be some sort of water for fuel technology or did I miss something? Anyway I hope you are prepared for the long haul as bringing something to market isn't all that easy to do these days. Mostly you have to find the market for your wares as without any demand the idea will always fail. If you have no plan to go to the market then you don't understand fully how the markets work, but you won't be alone as most people in these Open Source forums don't understand how the markets actually work.


Open Source truly only works for things that do not require any physical materials like programs and things like that. If at any point something has to be built then the market rules kit in and things must be brought in bulk and made in mass to bring the per unit cost down. I find that it's people's ignorance of these rules that messes up the whole thing as they simply will not come together to make something positive happen as a group and instead choose to act as individuals pretending that the market rules simply do not apply to them. This dream world mentality along with the rip-offs people, and cheats make it so Open Source always fails as it treats things like a competition to which the primary goal is to get money and not achieve energy independence. It becomes a world where everyone is in it for self and care for the common good of humanity gets tossed out the window. This Arm guy is a perfect example as he is a lair, a cheat, and in general a totally mean person whom primary concern is only for himself and thus stepping on the little guy becomes a way of life for people like him and they do it regularly and without any form of feelings for those they deem lesser than themselves. They don't understand the bases of what it means to be a caring person as their world has only dollar signs in it and anything that gets them more dollars is worth their time. They will do all kinds of bizarre things for money even sellout their own mothers and fathers if the price is right. The problem is there are far too many of them that flock to these Open Source forums in search of a quick buck and do all they can to prevent people from coming together to work as a team for the common good.


I have run into so many people like him that I have lost count but I understand that it is the entire monetary system that breeds people like this as they align themselves with the goals of the bankers. Like the bankers they will side with both sides of any war as they stand to profit from them and live for the feud.  It's sad but it is what the current monetary system breeds.

[Zephir]

Lets separate the problems, whether the free energy is working and/or whether the free market with free energy is working.
It has no meaning to discuss later without having the former - but not vice-versa.

[Dog-One]

Years ago I would participate in Gary Hendershot's Smart Scarecrow show and he would routinely ask guests of his show, "How long until I can buy such a device on the corner endcap at Walmart?"

The simple answer is never, because it is a suicide mission to even try.

Here in a nutshell is how the markets work:   Big fish eat little fish.

Guys like Elon Musk know this.  They know they are little fish.  You have to charge a Tesla, Inc. car up before you can drive it.  Only a complete fruitcake would think otherwise.

So Ed, take my advice, please, if you get your system working as a true undeniable over unity device, best thing you can do is hook-up with Nelson Rocha's employer.  Those folks can at least provide you some cover so you can continue your research and development.  You go public and I promise you will be crushed like a bug.  The big fish of the markets absolutely will not tolerate disruption to their system.  These boys buy and sell countries like kids with baseball trading cards.  Anyone that gets in their way will be eliminated from the pages of time, quickly, severely and irreversibly.  This is their world, their playground, not ours.

[ARMCORTEX]

There is not over unity research team, there is none of that.

There is insecure clueless groups of people that get together and still there is no results, then the pettyness starts, then there is leeching and ego and arguments.

I work alone, and I pay things with money, never my money, there is not enough of my money to spend on experimentation as there is priorities.

If people like H2Opower spend 30k and get loans from the bank that's their problem.

Its not about reaching the market, in the case of H2Opower, his technology is useless and not sound economically.

I never wanna see people like H2Opower with water engines,
Its scary, the way he acted and showboated with those small balls of hydrogen makes me scared, what if he had big balls?

Overunity belongs to a very select group, a very responsible and wise group who will not abuse or showboat.

You don't see a master Jedi go out there in the street and start to use force powers just to feel good, such characters are not even fit to learn the ways of the force to begin with, for uninitiated force user to have it is immediate danger.

Do you want Kim jong in to attack us with water fuel speed boats?

You sir H2Opower are a very dangerous individual.

[ARMCORTEX]

But honestly tho, H20 power, show me 30k worth of gear.

I think you are full of shit, I think you axagerate everything by 10x your painful road to Stanley Meyers commitment.

Come on... That aluminum tube, that cell... I don't even see 3k there.

I wanna see what's behind your company, I wanna see pictures of your product and why you think it should become a company.