A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome

[h20power]

I don't want to moderate builders - but to protect readers and posters seriously interested about overunity research from verbose clueless trolls, who are systematically polluting and diluting this forum with posts oriented to individual people instead of facts. The fact you're doing experiments doesn't mean, you cannot be clueless regarding overunity in similar way, like some very last troll here. After all, mainstream scientists are doing experiments all the time - does it qualify them for research of overunity?

With this post I am going to totally disagree with you as the primary problem with forums like this is people don't make use of the scientific method. The scientific method demands that experiments be performed in the real world and not just in someone's head. One must observed the experiments to be able to see what works and what does not as after all good observations is good science. This is the primary reason why most people choose to dislike me as I simply will not listen to anyone that doesn't follow the scientific method. The rise of these arm chair scientist that never make it to the lab to perform real world experiments have zero voice in my world as they haven't been there and they haven't done that. I understand full well that it is ego and pride that drive people to want to be heard even though they haven't performed even one single experiment on the topic at hand.
It always makes me laugh when someone tries to tell me what I am seeing in my experiments when they have performed none. They don't have a properly made cell, no voltage intensifier circuit, and no pulsing circuit, plus any of the proper measuring equipment to be able to see what is taking place with their experiments it they have ever gotten that far. I have seen people claiming to be putting 50kv to their exciter arrays but don't have a differential probe from which to measure any voltage in these isolated circuits. They get real mad when I call them on it but I do so for good reason as if they are getting 50kv to their exciter arrays and it isn't working then Meyer's statement of the working voltages for an exciter array being between 10-20kv is bogus as they are some 30kv over what is stated to be the working voltages for this technology. So, someone's telling a tall tale, yes? I have to check these people as if they go unchecked they work toward preventing anyone from ever being able to solve this technology.
How can someone honestly say Meyer's technology doesn't work if they haven't applied 10-20kv to an exciter array built to Meyer's specifications? Thus anyone that makes the claim Meyer's technology doesn't work and they haven't placed a high voltage potential difference on the plates of an exciter array built to Meyer's specifications is a straight out liar. I don't care who is making the claim that the technology doesn't work for if they haven't reach this stated working conditions experimentally to see if it will or will not work then they have no grounds for their claims that the technology doesn't work.


I remember before I actually showed the world high voltages actually being applied to an exciter array people were saying it was impossible to do such a thing because they couldn't do it. If I remember correctly the highest voltage being shown applied to an exciter array prior that event was no more than 400 volts and the vast majority of people were only getting between 5-12 volts from their voltage intensifier circuits being applied to their exciter array. Then I come along and show between 3.4- 4.2kv being applied to an exciter array with all the right tools for the measuring those voltages and the event was recorded for the record. I did the impossible that day and the backlash of people rising up against me was sickening. People still thought it was impossible and went out of their way to prove that I had somehow cheated and wasn't applying those voltages to the exciter array. Each time I would improve upon my work and show even higher voltages being applied to the exciter array their anger towards me for doing so would increase.
These people's anger towards me was from pure jealousy and envy in that I was doing something they said was impossible or something that they themselves couldn't do. I mean just look at the stupid comments by this pomodoro guy stating that I have no gas production. Well, here is a news flash. Even though I am getting higher voltages than anyone else working on this technology I still haven't reached Meyer's stated working conditions for this technology being between 10-20kv being applied to an exciter array with ten resonant cavities wired in series. So, the truth be told I don't even know if it will work or not but I can't say that it doesn't until I actually reach these working condition voltages Meyer stated will get this technology working properly. But having actually reached 9.4kv being applied to an exciter array shows that I am the closest thus far to being able to prove if it works or not aren't I? Plus the science I uncovered that is behind this technology shows very clearly that if I manage to reach these voltages the water molecules will be broken down by way of ionization for it is already taking place in nature each and every day on this planet someplace. Even the very plants that we look at on a daily basis are breaking the bonds of the water molecules in this manor. Thus your statement that basically states that someone not performing any experiments word should trump the word of those that are performing the experiments is a false statement.


So, why do any of you reading all of this think so many people are upset at me for? Just what is it that I have done to them to warrant such poor treatment from them? Now I already know most of the answers to these questions but would like you to now show your answer to these questions.

[Zephir]

I am going to totally disagree with you as the primary problem with forums like this is people don't make use of the scientific method... The scientific method demands that experiments be performed in the real world and not just in someone's head.

This is just what I want to learn people here: the scientific method based on falsification of theories. But you didn't study the scientific method carefully enough: the experiments are indeed inseparable part of scientific method, but they must be planned and carried out in specific way: i.e. for falsification of theories. The true scientist always does the experiments, yes - but he does them in organized way in cognitive cycles (see bellow).

First you should have some idea, what do you want to get and how to get it - just after then you should start with tinkering and with experimentation. Opposite trial&error based approach may occasionally work too - but it's not scientific method already. Today you can find something interesting just by pure accident - and frankly, human life becomes too short for such a blind attitude, because most of things, which could be invented with random testing ala Edison have been already invented.

From this reason I cannot also appreciate the credit of people, who are doing experiments cluelessly or who just blindly imitate others, supposedly more successful ones. I already presented here multiple strategies, how to increase the probability of finding of gold at places, which were thoroughly outmined and exhausted already.

[h20power]

This is the scientific method. How it works takes a lot of time, money, and effort to follow it correctly. Asking the question sometimes is easy, but as Meyer always pointed out "One must ask the right question." My question(s) was this; Is it possible that these people, since more than just Meyer did something like this, figured out a method of breaking down the water molecules outside of Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method?
Research on what do we already know is a part most people totally fail at with this technology. My question; "Is there something taking place in nature that is already doing this?" I found two things in nature that are already doing this each and everyday on this planet and even shared those findings with the group.
I then formed a Hypothesis based on what I found and read in the patents on the requirements necessary to make this technology work found in the patents which stated that the working conditions for this technology is for each resonant cavity a minimum of 1000 volts of potential difference must be applied before the process of getting the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, hydrogen and oxygen atoms start to eject their electrons takes place and/or starts to happen.


Now comes the truly hard part getting things ready for testing. You will need a lot of test equipment and things must be built correctly to a very high degree of accuracy. You will need to get a differential probe capable of withstanding these voltages, an oscilloscope, a power supply that provides a variable DC voltage output that is designed for pulsing systems, and learn by way of trial and error how to go about building the pulsing circuit, voltage intensifier circuit, and the exciter array. Thanks to Don Gable we have the spec's of the resonant cavities Meyer used as well as some of the specs of the transformer and pulsing circuit. But knowing all of this doesn't teach one how to actually pulse it or just how the waveform should actually look. For this one must be able to read and discern just what they are reading and seeing in all of his patents and lecture videos. Most that I have seen working on this part of the technology failed at this as they just took to looking at the pictures and never actually bothered to read the contents of the patents or they simply could not understand just what it was there where reading take your pick as one of the two things happened.
People soon found out that building an exciter array properly cost a lot of money and they tried to take short cuts and/or make changes to a technology they didn't fully understand yet. But not only that they were looking for the wrong waveform on their oscilloscopes as they only looked at the photos found in the patents and most of them showed a waveform with a positive only voltage potential. If they only took the time to actually read the words it states very clearly that there is to be a positive and negative voltage of equal intensity. Now I have had entire threads telling people that I am wrong about how the waveform is actually supposed to look and when I took them by the hand and showed them just where in the patents did it say there was to be a positive and negative voltage they weren't all that happy about being proven to be wrong about their assumptions about this technology.
In fact building any of this technology will prove to be on the costly side if it is to be built properly as they will be "One-offs," which is the most costly way to go about making anything. I built and tested many different designs of exciter array, circuits, and VIC transformers and the cost of doing this was very high, but the scientific method demanded that I do things the right way or give up. In all of the things I built the VIC transformer is the hardest to gain an understanding of as many of them will have to be built based on trial and error of the results each different transformer will reveal when tested on the exciter array.


If you build the exciter array that has copper wire or some other metal other than 304/316 SS in direct contact with the water it is doomed to fail as the copper ions will readily go into the water bath which will make the water conductive. If there is a way for the exciter array to reach a ground state it will take it as remember this is to be an isolated system and great care must be taken to ensure it remains an isolated circuit so any circulation pumps that have metal in direct contact with the water will provide a ground path for the isolated circuit to flow in, thus no charging of the resonant cavities will take place. If you don't get an differential probe again the ground of the oscilloscope will provide a path to ground for the isolated circuit to take and it will fail to charge up the resonant cavities.


As you can see most people fail at this due to not thinking just how to actually go about testing this technology out properly. They don't know how it is supposed to be pulsed, they don't know what the waveform is actually supposed to look like and the list of things that they do wrong are far too many for me to want to type out here and now. Most people in these forums that attempt to solve this technology simply put are not up to the task at hand mentally, physically, and financially. Mentally most people I see working on this technology aren't prepared to fail and learn from those failures as they missed the part of the scientific method that states what is expected that this technology do experimentally. I have seen them build one transformer after another completely the same and yet expect different results from each of those transformers they built. Now that is the very definition of insanity but these are the people that I have had to deal with in these Open Source forums. So, naturally I gave up on these people as they simply aren't all there mentally.
You see we already have the working conditions for this technology and thus the question is when I reached this voltages what will actually happen? Right now no one, not even me, can answer this question experimentally. But as I stated these mentally unstable people don't handle failure all that well. They don't have the capacity to sit and read and the mental training to understand what they are reading. Like children they jump to the picture section of the patents and expect they will gain all they need to know from just looking at the pictures. They form clicks with other like minded people and move to push anyone's views that do not agree with theirs out of the forums. Ask them to perform real world experiments and they turn around and tell you that they don't need to. Asked them to make use of the scientific method and they tell you to shove that method where the sun doesn't shine. Show them results that they as a group have concluded are impossible to be possible and they again push to have you removed from the forums. I am one of those whom they have pushed out of their forums many times as I showed them what they collectively deemed impossible to be possible and they don't take kindly to anyone that proves their theories to be factually incorrect. Thus that interview of me taken at the 2013 Global BEM was a hefty slap in the face for them as here was someone actually placing a high voltage potential difference directly to a container filled with water which they had collectively concluded was impossible and openly stated Meyer must have been lying about placing such high voltages to the water molecules.


Most of them can't conceive that the scientific method is just a tool designed to help provide answers to things that are unknown to us. Most of the love to ask the question but hate to have to be the one that has to answer those questions. They want things handed to them on a silver platter completely free of charge and will at times even demand that someone like me build what we have built for them for free and ship it too them for free. They know nothing of the cost involved and when told honestly about the cost can't imagine how the monies got spent as they are also totally lacking in the ability to imagine things in context. How much does an a good differential probe cost? How much does a good power supply cost? Will I run into any minimum buys or minimum makes? They have no idea as they never leave the drawing board to actually move towards building anything. They just sit and type away on their keyboards expecting that that alone will solve these types of disruptive technologies. They can't tell the difference between an opinion and a theory. And most importantly they never asked the right questions as in the patents we all were given the working conditions for this technology but since they never read that they assume there is no question like this that needs to be solved experimentally. Sadly forums like these are filled with people like this that operate on a level of diminished capacity mentally each and everyday of their lives without getting the help they need to correct their mental problems.

[forest]

I do believe it is not about breaking the water molecules. There was two guys also who did the same : one was Daniel Dingel and the second one is still alive , both were from Philippines.
Meyer could just convert water into pure gas state without breaking much molecules.



1 mole of water in liquid state occupy 0,018 dm3
1 mole of ideal gas occupy 22,4 dm3
it's 1244  more space, almost like a  steam. So it can be called cold steam.


I have nothing more to say, I'm not much interested in this technology so far.

[h20power]

I do believe it is not about breaking the water molecules. There was two guys also who did the same : one was Daniel Dingel and the second one is still alive , both were from Philippines.
Meyer could just convert water into pure gas state without breaking much molecules.



1 mole of water in liquid state occupy 0,018 dm3
1 mole of ideal gas occupy 22,4 dm3
it's 1244  more space, almost like a  steam. So it can be called cold steam.


I have nothing more to say, I'm not much interested in this technology so far.

Just so you know I use to speak with Dr. Dingle prior to his death. He told me back then I was on the right track and to keep up the good work. In fact I have looked over practically each and every inventor's work dealing with this water for fuel technology and have found the common part to all of them except the Joe Cell one as it works quite differently than the other technologies do.


I posted the science behind the patents on this forum already and would suggest that you take a look at it as my findings are from how nature goes about breaking the bonds of the water molecules which are far more efficient than Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method. Those pdf files are as far as I am willing to go on aiding people to understand this technology.