A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome

[Dog-One]

My last round of testing yielded 9.4kv being applied to the exciter array and in order to get any higher I had to completely redesign the VIC transformer which I am in the process of doing right now.

9400 volts, that's getting up there.  What voltage are you shooting for?

Also, what's your standing wave node spacing?  And is that an integer division of your exciter array?

[h20power]

I find it interesting that these technologies all seem to have something similar in how they seem to work on things that main stream science has already gone over, be it far too quickly, and that no one seems to be willing to look more deeply into them. Hydrogen and water seem to hold the key to replacing fossil fuels and I am beginning to see others that have the potential to move the world away from fossil fuels. It's sad when ego gets all in the way of progress. Solar energy and some of these new energy storage devices are really making strides right now.


So many seem to be going in different directions trying to move us away from fossil fuels but the one person that has made them move is Elon Musk as Tesla motors has moved their agenda way up ahead of schedule for if I remember correctly they where talking 2030 or 2050 to start moving towards electric cars. I know one thing it has opened up the door for me to start into the market now but I have to be smart about it as there is very little room for error. Truthfully I hope this Graneau's claim retraction is just some sort of protection stunt as more are needed if we are to push the fossil fuel kings off of their thrown of power. I have even seen some capacitor technologies pushing to take the place of batteries all together. But the one thing I haven't seen much of is a new way to go about generating energy.


I will keep at it as things are looking good right now. At the RWG site all I can do is read as that is how far I am restricted from their site due to my many successes shown while they remain back in the stone ages with their efforts due to them totally ignoring what I have tried to tell them in how the technology actually works. Like I said it was sad to read NAV state that no one has managed to put high voltage to any Meyer type device as if what I did doesn't exist and never happened. If it wasn't for John Fraser there wouldn't have even been an interview video for people to see as Sterling Allen totally stood me up back then. I explained things as best I could with the understanding of what I was seeing taking place with my experiments at the time. I didn't have all the answers but I did show that putting a high voltage potential difference directly to a water bath was in fact possible thus giving Meyer some much needed credibility. I just wish others would have followed my lead instead of focusing all of their efforts in trying to shut me down.


When you look at these many different technologies take a look at the old science in far more detail are chances are something got missed that will turn out to be very important for understanding how the technology is working in a way that seems to defy the scientific norms. To Meyer's credit he did in fact tell just how the technology worked on a basic level but the missing part was that early science stuff I talked about in going over the basics looking to see if main stream science missed something. What I found was no one had ever asked just how a plant actually breaks the bonds of the water molecules before in that context. As simply as that question is it was never directly answered by main stream science. Then in watching one of Meyer's lectures just the other day to hear him state that the liquid water goes from a liquid to gas ionization stage tells exactly how this technology actually works and he did so in front of hundreds of people. But people are strange in that they want something just given to them on a silver platter.


I had a few people work with me but all of them bailed on me due to the high cost of building and testing things the right way as the scientific method demands be done. At least they were honest with me and told me that they just couldn't afford to keep the pace I was keeping in trying to figure out this technology. I remember having built a transformer design costing close to $1000 USD and having to toss it after just a few test as it was heading in the wrong direction. Even the build of the exciter array had to be almost perfect as I had to toss out two different designs due to problems found with the design. Most people just aren't willing or aren't able to keep doing things like this. But I go where the science leads me and if the science says what was built is going in the wrong direction then I simply toss it and build a new one based on what was learned from the failure. For the most part those that would line up to challenge me had no idea that I wasn't talking about some pure theory stuck in the world of imagination but real world experiments basing my efforts on trial and error of something real. But that didn't stop them as they managed to get me put out of each and every online Open Source forum but this one and in doing so dooming the sites where I was banned from as just how far can one run on pure imagination and no real world testing?


At most places I would always rub shoulders with those not actually doing any real work and move to ignoring them as most of the time they would have an idea and want someone else to test it for them as my experiments where already costing me more than I really could afford to spend. I'd simply demand that they do their own work and that would start their work on getting me kicked out of the forums for stupid reasons. They would start making claims of pure nonsense and tell everyone that I was doing everything all wrong or start attacking me on a personal level some even to stoop as low as to the color of my skin and I'd be the one to get banned for their racism and racist attacks against me. It's sad when you think about it but it's part of the world we live in.


I hope this person your talking too is one that actually will move towards doing something in the real world instead of just dreaming about things as in order to make dreams come true a lot of work has to be done to make it happen. I also hope he is like me in that he will give some of what he has learned with the hopes someone will also be willing to work with him along the way as working it alone without work load sharing is tough. I have always done my best to aid people in understanding how Meyer did what he did but sadly I get people like this ARMCORTEX popping out of the woodwork to tell me that all that I know is false as Meyer was a fraud and I got suckered. Even after I'd show the raw science which is totally provable as it's already taking place in nature people like them just keep pushing your buttons anyway.


I hope all goes well with this as it's tough for one to swallow their ego but it is not impossible. Just keep your eyes on the big picture and most of these small arguments we get into start to seem totally pointless. I now focus my efforts on getting into some form of limited mass production as that is the only way to cut cost for this or any other technology as that is just how the markets work and there simply is no getting around that.

[h20power]

9400 volts, that's getting up there.  What voltage are you shooting for?

Also, what's your standing wave node spacing?  And is that an integer division of your exciter array?

According to Meyer and my own studies I have to reach 10kv or more with a cell this size before the atoms that make up the water molecules start to eject their electrons. I am getting close but this technology is no different than a device that makes ozone. There is a threshold that must be crossed before the atoms start to ionize and eject their electrons before this ionization nothing happens just as if the voltage is too low for an air ionizer no ozone is produced.
As for standing waves I haven't been using them as they seem less important in the over all process now just resonance and keeping it that way at all times. As for the exciter array the voltage is divided evenly between the ten capacitors wired in series just like the one that ran Meyer's dune buggy.


Meyer states that the working voltages for this technology are between 10-20kv in the patents and amp flow must be kept to no more than 1 mA if I read everything correctly. Most of the time I am able to keep the amp flow to only 0.6 mA so it is very possible. I just hope this next design has all the bugs worked out of it as I might have to build it in a way that it would have to all be tossed if it doesn't work correctly due to the high voltages I am dealing with. The oil baths no longer seem to work well on containing the voltages from arcing out the transformer so I might have to start making them with some sort of resin.

[tinman]

According to Meyer and my own studies I have to reach 10kv or more with a cell this size before the atoms that make up the water molecules start to eject their electrons. I am getting close but this technology is no different than a device that makes ozone. There is a threshold that must be crossed before the atoms start to ionize and eject their electrons before this ionization nothing happens just as if the voltage is too low for an air ionizer no ozone is produced.
As for standing waves I haven't been using them as they seem less important in the over all process now just resonance and keeping it that way at all times. As for the exciter array the voltage is divided evenly between the ten capacitors wired in series just like the one that ran Meyer's dune buggy.


Meyer states that the working voltages for this technology are between 10-20kv in the patents and amp flow must be kept to no more than 1 mA if I read everything correctly. Most of the time I am able to keep the amp flow to only 0.6 mA so it is very possible. I just hope this next design has all the bugs worked out of it as I might have to build it in a way that it would have to all be tossed if it doesn't work correctly due to the high voltages I am dealing with. The oil baths no longer seem to work well on containing the voltages from arcing out the transformer so I might have to start making them with some sort of resin.

h20

Good to see you around again.

Here is the big problem here,and in other forums--as soon as you mention using high voltages,and low currents to produce HHO,many just laugh at you--you know how it is,and how it has been at !other! places.

All is not lost--i am giving it one more try to get others to follow the path of HV HHO-->we shall see if they choose to learn and understand,or just want to be spoon fed.


Brad

[h20power]

h20

Good to see you around again.

Here is the big problem here,and in other forums--as soon as you mention using high voltages,and low currents to produce HHO,many just laugh at you--you know how it is,and how it has been at !other! places.

All is not lost--i am giving it one more try to get others to follow the path of HV HHO-->we shall see if they choose to learn and understand,or just want to be spoon fed.


Brad

Yeah, I have been around the block with these forums and made a lot of enemies with my strong adherence to the use of the scientific method. Your video showing the high voltage is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM&t=27s
Meyer's technology requires that things be built fairly closely how Meyer had done so unless one understands the technology and is able to make changes and still compare it to what Meyer had done. I made a few changes to the exciter array but not so much that it will work any differently than Meyer's does. Now on the transformer I have made quite a bit of changes but the base design is always the same in that if I was to draw a circuit diagram it would be the same as that of Meyer's tech.


I have had to deal with Russ, Max, and a whole lot of other people that have some very large ego issues to deal with. The one thing in common with them all is they would have their forums and the power to put down people's points of view that they didn't agree with and that type of power proved to be too much for them as they would get very abusive with it. Sure I am not the easiest person in the world to deal with but one thing that never change about me was I would require that people would do their own work using some form of method where they would have a measurable outcome. Russ would build like crazy and when it came to testing time just bail on that part of the work and jump on to building something else. I called him on this several times but his die hard followers would have no one questioning their GOD and would make life difficult for me. When Russ ran out of Meyer stuff to build he did exactly as I had anticipated he would do, bail on everyone and jump on to something completely different with that noble gas engine, kinda forget what it was called as he bailed on that technology too.
With Max I noticed that he was not honest with his work as we worked closely enough together for me to notice that he was not telling me the truth about his results. We had practically the same set up and I was getting a temperature rise over time and he told me he was not. But when I took a close look at his video I could see heat rising out of his cells. That is the worse type of person to try and work with as if your not going to be honest with your results it messes up the entire process of the scientific method. With time everyone else started to see the wholes in his set up and he has now since faded away only to pop up now and again to say hi like Russ does.
Most of these people are out of water for fuel technology now with only a few of us left standing and of those few most are giving it one last try. Some of the followers hid themselves under different names so that they can get a fresh start with me or to basically start over without all of the baggage they created for themselves in the past. Most of the time I can figure out who they truly are and thankfully when I can't figure out who they are some of the friends I have made will tell me.


I tried to help NAV out before I was rudely shut down at the RWG site but his response towards me was surprising in that he wanted nothing to do with me based on the lies told to him by the forum members. Even though I was getting results like no one else was getting he chose to side with those who weren't getting any good results from their work on Meyer's technology. Now he is calling it quits just like all the others that stood against me seems to have done as these sites are very quite now that I have been given the boot from them. Like I mentioned earlier how far can someone run on theories if they aren't willing to put in any work to either prove or disprove these theories? Sure these people won the fight in getting me put out of their forums but in the end they lost the battle as they simply don't have what it takes to move forwards concerning true unknowns like this water for fuel technology presents to the world. I provided everyone with the pure science that filled in the gaps Meyer left out of his lectures on how this technology actually worked, and for that noble deed I was banished. Once I understood the way the markets actually worked I knew that this Open Source approach was just wrong for this technology. The Open Source approach works for software and other types of things that do not require something to be physically built. For things that need to be built the Open Source approach breaks down as it would then require everyone to build "One-Offs" which is the most costly way to go about making anything. I even wrote an article about it to try and explain just how Open Source fails at trying to bring this technology out to the world here: http://aetherforce.com/truth-open-source-inventors-perspective/ Basically when something has to be made the rules of the market has to be followed and the only way for the little guy to make it in that world is for us to crowdfund our monies together as doing so allows us to act like a large corporation so we too could buy in bulk.


Now I just work towards building up the company as I finally gave up on forums like these as their track record for aiding technologies like these to make it to the marketplace very poor. Most of the time they are very good at standing in the way and it's vastly becoming well known for it's ability to impede these types of technologies rather than help them. I had to learn all of this through the school of hard knocks Meyer talked about in one of his videos as I came to Open Source thinking it was a great tool to help get technologies like this out to the world but the reality shows it works to stop them which was a very hard lesson to learn as I believed in it's cause when I entered into it.