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THE RANT ROOM

Started by ramset, April 25, 2017, 04:30:05 AM

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gyulasun

Quote from: EMJunkie on June 29, 2020, 06:55:23 PM


Just like Spoiled Children, having a tantrum! Do you even read your own posts? Posts FULL of tantrums!

Unbelievable! Gyula whats wrong with you!!!

Best wishes, stay safe and well in these dire times,
   Chris Sykes

What is wrong you dare to ask?    ???

You  made  misstatements in interpreting the correct relation between the units of electrical energy (Joule or Wattsecond)
and electrical power (Watt or Joule / second). 
You wrote these: 
                                        "Automatically when you specify "Watt" it is Watt Second!"   
quote is from here: https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546724/#msg546724 

or 
                                  "Again: One Watt Second = One Joule per Second - Non-refutable!"    quoted from here:
https://overunity.com/18464/partnered-output-coils-builders-group-moderated/msg546727/#msg546727

Member Bistander and I attempted to correct you and you then went to great lengths to confuse 
the less observant readers to think you were correct all the time and bistander and I were wrong. 

And in your confusing posts you included mocking words on us what you have continued since then.
This attitude is the one that needs drawing widespread attention to,  IMHO. 



But this is a smaller problem,  the big problem is your unfounded claim of

   Input = 12V @ 0.5A = 6 Watts, Output = 17V @ 0.7A = ‭11.9‬Watts, COP = ‭11.9‬Watts / 6 Watts = 1.98‬.

When bistander asked his question in your thread on an obvious discrepency you deleted his post. This was his post you deleted but he reposted here  https://overunity.com/17252/the-rant-room/msg547079/#msg547079  and I quote it below:

Hi EMJunkie,

Globe spec is 12V, 300mA. Calculates to 40ohm.
Your test data are 17V and 0.7A. This indicates globe R = 24.3ohms.
Why the discrepancy?
Regards,
bi

So Chris Sykes I ask this:   Unbelievable!  Chris whats wrong with you ?

lancaIV

Why the discrepancy ?       Ohm and the temperature dependence !


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elexs.de%2Fkap2_3.htm


The resistance of 15 ohms is only measured at the full voltage of 6 V. At lower voltages, there is less resistance because the resistance of a metal wire depends on its temperature. When cold, the lamp has only about 1.5 ohms. The cold / warm resistance ratio of 1:10 applies to normal incandescent lamps. But there are also different lamps that behave very differently. A halogen lamp achieves better efficiency through a higher filament temperature. The on-resistance is therefore much lower. It is completely different with the older carbon filament lamps, which have an increased cold resistance. The situation is even different with an LED lamp. Here the resistance depends largely on the operating point. If the voltage is less than 1 V, the resistance is practically infinite,as the current increases, it decreases.


Nominal voltage and lower or higher voltages difference behaviour : material temperature  ( metal or carbon)






https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/accircuits/reactive-power.html

Generally, for a load with a power factor of less than 0.95 more reactive power is required. For a load with a power factor value higher than 0.95 is considered good as the power is being consumed more effectively, and a load with a power factor of 1.0 or unity is considered perfect and does not use any reactive power.


related

https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/22275/ #22288


My Members are well aware of the Fact, that we must achieve Magnetic Resonance between the Coils! As is Conico!


We have been told by so many: Resonance


Below, Floyd Sweet told us: Reactive at RESONANCE


Ruslan told us the same! So many have!Verpies, Smudge, you guys, why don't you jump in and give some advice on these real simple facts we are covering?




     so changing :        and a load with a power factor of 0 or zero is considered perfect and does  use only reactive power.


                                                          resistivity : unit Ohm    conductivity : unit Siemens


                                                         variable partnered output : semi-conductor (principle)

bistander

Quote from: lancaIV on June 30, 2020, 09:21:48 AM
Why the discrepancy ?       Ohm and the temperature dependence !
Nominal voltage and lower or higher voltages difference behaviour : material temperature  ( metal or carbon)

Globes, commonly called incandescent light bulbs, typically use nichrome filaments. The coefficient of resistivity w/r/t temperature for nichrome is 0.00017-0.0004/°C. Quite low. How hot is filament? Was spec given at rated load condition? I suspect discrepancy is not due to change in globe resistance. But a reason I ask Mr. EMJunkie.
Regards,
bi

ramset

Lanca,...You are writing supporting claims here from persons not writing here.
with no permission to do so or citations for reference and perspective ?


once again your contribution is  clear as mud ....... [not the first time either..
flaming a fire that burns all... and supports no result ...conclusively ?
last time you did this it was also clear as Mud...with much fighting as you disappeared ?


// Note to AG on interstellar travel suppression by horrible US gov't [and obviously others too]I apologize for all atrocities globally by all of our gov'ts....as  well any football[sports] or religious atrocities...oh also 5 G or anything else you care to pin on any particular member here...[guilt by geography ...? that too...]

our burdens are tuff to carry at times...as if we did not have enuff to sort out here...






Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

gyulasun

Quote from: lancaIV on June 30, 2020, 09:21:48 AM

...
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elexs.de%2Fkap2_3.htm

The resistance of 15 ohms is only measured at the full voltage of 6 V. At lower voltages, there is less resistance because the resistance of a metal wire depends on its temperature. When cold, the lamp has only about 1.5 ohms. The cold / warm resistance ratio of 1:10 applies to normal incandescent lamps. But there are also different lamps that behave very differently.
A halogen lamp achieves better efficiency through a higher filament temperature. The on-resistance is therefore much lower.
...
Hi lancaIV,
I think what I quoted from you above is a correct translation and if you check EMJunkie video 7  at video time between 30:30 to 31:30, you can see a normal filament bulb I attached snapshots of.  It is not a halogen type and must have the usual Tungsten filament. Here is a link on such lamps which includes halogen ones too and a bakelite globe holder as seen in the snapshot.
If this is correct and EMJ perhaps confirms this, then the voltage - current characteristic of such Tungsten lamps is indeed nonlinear i.e. the resistance is nonlinear too,  increasing with increasing voltage and current. The nonlinearity (as also included in the above translation) is caused by the effects of high temperature on the metal filament wire of the globe.  The higher the filament temperature (due to the higher voltage and current), the higher the hot resistance becomes.

This means that bistander's discepancy question remains valid:  when such globe is fed at 17V and 0.7A, its instanteneous resistance cannot be as low as Ohm's law calculates it (24.3 Ohm), while its instanteneous resistance at 12V and 0.3A calculates to be 40 Ohm.  The temperature of the filament should be much higher at 17V than at 12V, so the resistance at 17V should be higher than 40 Ohm,   ok?
This also needs clarification from EMJunkie. 

Gyula