THE RANT ROOM

[lancaIV]

Chet,in search for cheap energy : what is cheap ?
EE-history :     1 Volt ~ 1 Daniell cell                     100 Volt ~ 100 Daniell cells battery

With transmission losts compensation : a.110-115 Volt as grid tension electricity delivery : DC grid

AC grid positive tension from source to negative tension to source : 110-115 Volt x 2

When we pay 25 Eurocents for 1 KWh AC positive/negative tension eleectricity this means in DC 1 KWh equivalence :

                                             50 Eurocents per real KWh  netgrid price ! 100% duty cyce !

I take the mtbest.net 0,8 KWh ultra low electricity private household electricity consume number ( + solar heat) and the billions 2 US$ per capita/day habitants worldwide,per household 2 habitants minimum :

293 KWh per year x 0,5 Euro / ( 365 x 2 x 2 US$) ~ 10% electric energy costs from income



                                                                      World data/statistics

10% is for private household a common income percentage,review 100 years electricity delivery and private household earnings/salaries




There are three "real world" options :

a ultra high efficient electric appliances

b. ultra low -on demand- electricity generation
c. both : a + b

50 Eurocents/KWh ~ 10% household income
25 Eurocents/KWh ~   5%


So we get as economical possible "IDEAL" :

10 Eurocents/KWh ~   2% household income by "ultra intelligent household"



                                         INTERNATIONAL

                                 TARGET and CHALLENGE
   10 - all inclusive- calculation costs ( service,friction parts refurbishment,recycle,........) Eurocents/ real KWh

                       
Who wishes then the 3 KWh per day private household consume ( book "Autonomous House,GB) or www.oeko-energie.de household example shall be ready to spend 8% from his total household income for electric energy  !
When we talk about fairness and justice we should ever have an up to 100 years commercial review about prices,consume,expenses : life profile and intelligence win/lost over the decades  !

FREE ENERGY and AUTONOMOUS LIVING had - has- will have its price :

also in a 100% REPRAP industry world = zero human worker !

Sincerely
OCWL

[WhatIsIt]

Chet,in search for cheap energy : what is cheap ?

I know you are asking Chet, but can I express my opinion on your question?


Yes, solar become cheap and other similar products.

You are 100% right on that.

What you can not include is mobility.

There is no price for mobile FE device.

Can you move 200m2 of solar panels around, where ever you go? How much it will cost you to move them?

So, the worse FE device will be cheaper than cheapest solar panels,

because,

you can carry it to the top of mount Everest and heat your home there without any effort,

carry it in your backpack.

We are talking about 2 properties of cheap energy source.

Price and mobility.

And mobility is priceless!


Now you calculate the real price of FE device vs cheap solar panel.

[lancaIV]

WhatsIT, in "autonomous" is mobility included !
Real world demonstration model for mobility :

www.wohnwagon.at    www.mobilchalet.de     www.habitaflex.com

Beside electricity on demand also in view : water on demand ! Greywater-to-whitewater


Probably also : household waste to energy ( organic biocomposter with heatelectric converter )
Indepenent if conventional Free Energy Conversion ( solar,wind,heat) or quantum-physical E=hf converter :
the commercial 10 Eurocents/real KWh on demand electric generator will be the " opener" !
Before estatal subsidaries !

The hurdle : the consumer needs to educate himself to become economic :

                                            Physical and technical limits

         generator Wattpeak output / consumer serial or parallel appliances use

As example : an   800 Watt nominal electric toaster
                             1600 Wp the inrush voltage and current phase power demand
                                  ( what the generator or in-/converter has to over-bridge)

but for the 5 minutes work-process only calculated : as 800 W x  (60 min/5 min) = 67 Wh consumer listed !
     
1600 Wp to 67 Wh : this is the "on demand" and in storage difference

The mtbest 0,8 KWh does not explain the Wp " autonomous  household grid"  power max demand  !
By linear calculation,the toaster value as example : 800 Wh/67Wh x 800 W toaster nominal =
                        9552 Wp nominal and 19100 Wip : if all appliances in parallel use

[WhatIsIt]

WhatsIT, in "autonomous" is mobility inclded !
Beside electricity on demand also in view : water on demsnd !
Probably also : household waste to energy ( organic biocomposter with heatelectric convrrter )
Indepenent if conventional Free Energy Conversion ( solar,wind,heat) or quantum-physical E=hf converter :
the commercial 10 Eurocents/real KWh on demand electric generator will be the " opener" !
Before estatal subsidaries !

The hurdle : the consumer needs to educate himself to become economic :

                                            Physical and technical limits

         generator Wattpeak output / consumer serial or parallel appliances use

As example : an   800 Watt nominal electric toaster
                             1600 Wp the inrush voltage and current phase power demand
                                  ( what the generator or in-/converter has to over-bridge)

but for the 5 minutes work-process only as 800 Wx (60 min/5 min) = 67 Wh consumer listed !
1600 Wp to 67 Wh : this is the "on demand" and in storage difference

Don't get me wrong, this is not contest in intelligence.

If you have FE device, size of shoe box, mobile,

you can extract water from air, heat up, cool down, anything you imagine, have lights 24hrs a day for producing crops without real sunlight.

All the needs of person are covered, but if you have mobile, small, source of unlimited energy.

You can drink water in center of Sahara, all you need is energy to extract it from air.


You are not wrong, possibilities are unlimited.



Mobile, small, FE device you pay only once (maintenance over the years, if you know how to repair it, are almost none).

And have benefits while you are alive.


So, who cares for the price, you pay only once for the whole life.

[lancaIV]

  , I do not get you wrong !
But there is industrial a great difference between " virtual reality : dreaming" and " hard ware "-development for day-by-day use !
And you can not "stretch" a given nominal energy/electricity output :
with a 1 KW generator you get up to 24 KWh per day ,but ever with the 1 KW limit !

Clearly,you can storage surplus energy in accumulators ( hot medium,chemical,flywheel,capacitor,magnet battery)

But all this means extra-costs/weight/risc ,.... !
Your own behaviour related material/energy consume commands the final € or US$/KWh price !

Your little box : Harold Goldbaum his invention with dis-/advantages