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THE RANT ROOM

Started by ramset, April 25, 2017, 04:30:05 AM

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stivep

Quote from: onepower on August 06, 2023, 09:28:07 PM
stivep
I have proven energy can be extracted from the magnetic field of a magnet and it's fairly easy.
We attach an iron core/coil to a magnet then strike the magnet with a small hammer. The impact is converted into heat but it also disturbs the magnetic domains of the magnet inducing extra current in the coil. We can tell the magnetic field of the magnet was converted into electrical energy because the magnet gets weaker as the magnetic domains became scattered. The energy extracted is proportional to how many magnetic domains changed polarity or alternated with each impact.
Of course, it's not free energy and may not be what you were thinking however the process can extract energy from the magnetic field of a magnet.
AC

very good point.
You are thinker. Thank you.

A magnet when strike with a  hammer will cause mechanically  some of magnetic domains to  flip - reorient.
and by that its magnetic field will permanently change:
If a coil of wire is placed in a (or in in that) changing magnetic field, a current will be induced in the wire.

Current - is the flow of charges. and in classical physics any flow can be described by its current(e.g.  water)/
Electrically charged particles can move on the application of an external force.
But word
: "Removal" has broader meaning than "extraction."
So you removing uniform orientation of the large number of magnetic domains from a magnet
and even when the hammering is constant - it also consumes  more external energy per unit of time.
-as "energy "released  from magnetic domains includes  losses .
meaning of word  "energy "  used here is expressional.

How much from the (gross) of that "energy"  you can get from that process netto ? - less than 0
You are absolutely positively right that  by removing domains orientation you extracting nothing practically useful
or you didn't say that?
Wesley







forest

Another and better analogy: put a watermill on a support and use water under pressure from a water pump to turn it and then power generator to produce electric current - this is how we produce electricity today using fosil fuels. Alternately you can build watermill on the river and get ambient energy , after spending energy to establish watermill in proper place - this is the future of extracting energy from Earth electromagnetic field and probably other magentic field too.

stivep

Thank you forest
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yet another thing that I would be pleased  to be answered by rakarlskiy too.
How much energy  is stored in the magnet?


NONSENSE OF  PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR CONCEPT -self powering:
If we magnetize  in 0.001 of a second  an iron bar  using 500W then  the amount of energy we can get from it
when bar is demagnetized is  less than 500W  minus  energy used for demagnetizing it.
-we may drop the magnet  strongly  enough so it is mostly demagnetized at the  cost of gravity .
But when we look at it  from perspective of unit of time:
- it will be much less than 500 watts  during a period  of 1 second. And than you end up with zero, zippo - having nothing at all.


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If we take a bar magnet with the same measurements of 6" long by 1" wide by 1/4" thick, then ...
The energy stored then is 651,541 J/m3 * 0.00002458 m3 = 16.02 Joules.
That is 13.2 times as much energy as the Alnico magnet!
This is enough energy to keep a 100W (100 Joules per second) lightbulb lit for about 160 milliseconds.
However, an AA alkaline battery stores about 15,400 Joules of energy, about 1000 times as much as that bar magnet.
http://coolmagnetman.com/magenergy.htm



Summary:
So let's say the motor of Holcomb  works- for some reason works.. yea.. what's a problem...
say that... :
THEN HOW MANY SECONDS IT WOULD WORK COMPARING  TO ITS MASS? under 500W/h load
if its concept would use stated above?

Wesley

AlienGrey

Quote from: stivep on August 07, 2023, 09:50:33 AM
Thank you forest
____________________
yet another thing that I would be pleased  to be answered by rakarlskiy too.
How much energy  is stored in the magnet?


NONSENSE OF  PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR CONCEPT -self powering:
If we magnetize  in 0.001 of a second  an iron bar  using 500W than amount of energy we can get from it
when bar is demagnetized is  less than 500W  minus  energy used for demagnetizing it.
-we may drop the magnet  strongly  enough so it is mostly demagnetized at the  cost of gravity .
But when we look at it  from perspective of unit of time:
- it will be much less than 500 watts  during a period  of 1 second. And than you end up with zero, zippo - having nothing at all.

http://coolmagnetman.com/magenergy.htm



Summary:
So let's say the motor of Holcomb  works- for some reason works.. yea.. what's a problem...
say that... :
THEN HOW MANY SECONDS IT WOULD WORK COMPARING  TO ITS MASS? under 500W/h load
Wesley
Some thing isn't right with your magnet theory and magnetization other wise the Tesla, Moray
and your mate Tariel Kapanadze thing is a lie isn't electrolysis and magnetism thing sqare. Re Don Smiths book
for sail on Amazon.  Oh dear has Don and Richard Freidrich and many others let many cat's out of the bag.
Anyway my interest is purley Educational !
Sil

stivep

Tell me   what is not right?
- By the way Kapanadze is not based on "energy" from magnet.
Kapanadze is based on energy transfer from Schumann waveguide unless found - not.
Dr James Corum explained  energy transfer from A to B, and I explained energy origin and its transfer but audience is lazy enough to try it.
You guys want energy for free than do it.
$50  for new  wire  it is all it takes plus your work. :)
Wesley