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Ion power group.

Started by antimony, May 25, 2017, 02:41:54 PM

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pomodoro

I tried looking at his vids but many of them don't start not sure why.. Anyhow I saw a few and it looks like both his collectors, generation 1 and two  are on the roof.  The one I could see is shaped like some dish, there is another in the box on another roof.  I cant make out the circuit he uses but if any rectification is used,  he is most likely tapping into the 60Hz grid without knowing.  All he has to do is to put an oscilloscope probe on the antenna and have a look.  Has he done that?   Anything that diodes can rectify and give some power from will show up on a good oscilloscope. Sure, GHz wont , unless you spent too much $$ for your scope, but most diodes used in these gizmos dont work too well into the gigs anyway.  Follow the ion group, this youtube chap is clever but too much of jack of all trades if you know what I mean, just look at all the stuff he does, you cant be an expert if you do that.


BTW don't expect Minnie to work well first time. Its not that easy at first. Lack of wind, tangled or snapped copper wire, dogs at park, you name it, Murphys law basically.

antimony

Quote from: pomodoro on June 25, 2017, 08:15:00 PM
I hardly ever look at youtube, more of a book / PDF / web page reader myself  but will check it later.


If the carbon sheet is fragile, you are very limited. You might be able to wrap it in the shape of a tube and use it in the tail section of Minnie.
Air will pass around it and inside. You need a light copper wire, very thin one that Minnie can lift. Single strand enamelled copper wire. But keep the normal string for strength. For you first tests forget trying to measure any voltage. Instead measure the current flow from the collector up there, thru the wire and down to a metal stake in the ground. Use a multimeter capable of uA, mA.  Forget capacitors , simply measure the current and report back here. Don't touch the copper wire or some of the current will pass through your body not the multimeter. Also note the polarity of the current. Strive for constant current for a few seconds, not peaks, these peaks are due to bound charges moving up and down as the altitude changes. The more the height the better the signal. 120 feet minimum.


Tate circuit simply rectifies AC fields in the roof from your own house. If you don't believe it, simply take it to a park and try it out. Depending on radio signals in the vicinity you will get some sort of output, or none at all. Eventually , when youre good, hook it up to Minnie, it should work, but again, measure and improve current first.
Cosmic radiation collectors are not real,  well not the OU ones you can power your house with. Concentrate on real things like the ion group tech first, master it and then try the cosmic receivers for some challenge.

Yeah, I am trying to read as much as i can, but when you have kids it is sometimes hard to get some time to just relax and focus.
You maybe also have kids, if you do you know what i am talking about. :)

I am going to try what you described.
I was planning on using multi stranded Fe wire, becouse i have a lot of that, but I also have some thin #30 cu-wire. Maybe ill try bott.

I am just going to use it as is becouse i am not going to leave it out.

I belive you about the Tate circuit. I knew that from the start, but I wanted to see if i could get the same results as the guy on Youtube,  and i did.

Also i bought a new small ignition coil that i was trying to use for an Imhotep radiant oscillator circuit, but this one didnt either work.
Are there some sort of resistor in the ignition coils or what could it be?
I was going to step down the collected energy with it in the future.

Thanks /F

pomodoro

Yes , I do. Focus on them and wife first, 100%, if not you will be very sorry.
When wife let's you, then you can investigate. Start by believing 50% of what you hear, from anyone including me, and test the other 50% looking first to replicate and secondly for any other plausible reason rather than new science. This last  bit is where sound scientific knowledge and experience only can help you.


Now, here is more info to help you.  If you go far away from the power lines and stick a 1x1 meter metal plate a meter above ground, but well insulated from it (Teflon ), you will be able to measure a DC current from the plate through a wire to a stake in the ground. The current is between 1 and 2 picoAmps!  I hope you can see that you need to improve this by well over a million times before you can measure it with confidence using a multimeter.
So Minnie and you have some work to do, but its not impossible.


antimony

I have been out in the Woods on there different occassions, and i wasnt able to fly Minnie on either of them becouse it couldnt lift that kind of weight.

Not even with #30 wire and a small tiny antenna.

I was thinking that i may have to make my own kite that is larger.

Thanks for the advice Pomodoro. I appreciate it. :)

pomodoro

Try eBay or similar places too.   If you get the kite over 100 feet in the air expect 2-3kv positive without clouds. With clouds anything goes, including very high negative voltages. A kite string dipped in salt water is an alternative to copper wire. A single sharp needle point up there will collect enough current for you to measure with cheap multimeter with 0.1uA resolution. You wont measure any voltage with the multimeter  though, but I'll let you figure out why yourself. Measuring current is the most reliable method by far, especially for people starting out. Don't use diodes as yet. You will confuse the current with rectified radio / grid signals, that are quite strong due to the very low impedance of the kite antenna/wire (radiation resistance).
Keep at it until you get 1uA or more .It may not sound like much, but its a million times more than what a 1x1 meter metal plate up there can give. :) . After that is when secrets must be revealed, and you are definitely on your own ,start making elaborate collectors, different materials, etc. When you have improved the current, and you fulky understand the concept only then look into TH Moray and similar folk for more hidden secrets.