Any one tried to use Adams idea to get over sticky spot?

[Omnibus]

@All,

That was the hope with @Merv's device but, as we all saw, it was a big disappointment.

The problem with the Torbay motor seems different from @Merv's but in fact is exactly the same -- the system cannot generate enough push to overcome its internal obstacles and relies on external power sources to function. Torbay motor has to be so constructed that the created torque is enough to lift the next magnet and depress the trailing one, allowing the rotor to turn. So far, apparently no one has been able to achieve this. Indeed, everyone who has tried has observed generation of torque. That torque, however, has always been way insufficient to overcome the said obstacles. I still think that it's a matter of construction and if one has the chance to optimize it properly it may reach a moment whereby the created torque will be enough to overcome the hindrances. It seems that the creation of the torque is independent of the said obstacles and one may think that there should be ways to increase it for the same level of the mentioned obstructions.

In the same way one may think that @Merv's device can be optimized to have the induced current from within to generate enough electric energy which would help in overcoming the sticky spot. Something like Paul Sprain's device but working internally. Paul Sprain's device uses brute force, as it were, and deals with the sticky spot in a simple, radical manner. Who knows, maybe this is a better approach for practical purposes, if indeed Paul Sprain's motor is indeed a perpetuum mobile (yet to be confirmed), rather than dealing with delicate balances as in Torbay.

I guess, I don't need to mention what gives me the assurance that these studies should be continued. It is the fact that SMOT has now been conclusively proven to violate the principle of conservation of energy even when not in a closed-loop. To me this has a greater value than any practical device because it has a pure scientific importance and devious destructive commercial interests are out of it.

Of course, I'd like to see a closed-loop SMOT too although I realize the problems in tweaking it so that it can begin working are almost as complicated as those with Torbay. It took me some time to adjust the SMOT in http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2383887636280790847 even for that inefficient lift. See how asymmetric my SMOT is for it to work. Contrary to all expectations. I can imagine what difficulties one would have to attain the efficiency needed for a closed loop. And each one individual SMOT has to have its own construction. I don't think any two SMOTs can be the same. I guess, the first thing to do is to prepare a proper scientific apparatus for the study. The same as when you prepare the set-up for your PhD studies. It may take years to get to the point where you would have a proper apparatus to study the phenomena connected with your dissertation. In this case, for instance, the SMOT needs to be able to move the magnets up, down, sideways by minute amounts while maintaining the sturdiness of the construction. There should be ways to actually see the magnetic fields -- say, by using multiple hall probes that would allow the form of the field to be displayed on the moitor for adjustment and so on.

I am quite intrigued by Peter's endeavor. Peter, do you have a way to study the exact form of the quasi-toroid magnetic field in your device and can you show it here? Also, what will happen if you start the ball from another point not from the 14th (I guess) station? What exactly is the problem with the track at the sticky point, can you draw it and show us? Why would a laser cutter solve it?

[CLaNZeR]

I rigged up the pickup coil from http://www.freelights.co.uk/how.html today with a bit of sticky tape!

I used one of my wheels with 4 not over strong ferrite magnets just to see if it would excite the coil enough to light the 5 LEDS at low revs and indeed it does with not alot of effort needed.

Have attached a Video to show what I mean. Sorry for the bad quality, but it was done on a small digital camera and I converted it to Divx to try and keep the size down.

Regards

Sean.

[Paul-R]

Beware of judging output with LEDs.

LEDs require a tiny current to run. They are a poor indication of anything. If you look at this:
http://www.powermanagementdesignline.com/products/188700611
you will see LEDs running off 0.25 mA. (Don't know the voltage).
Paul.

[CLaNZeR]

Agree and thanks Paul.

The LED's are standard 5MM Bright LED's that are rated at 3.4Volts and pull 30ma DC Forward Current and Pulse Forward current of 100ma.

Because the coil is producing AC the two white LED's light on one side of the pulse and the three Red LED's on the other side.

I am looking to place a capacitor in place to see how much power I can get stored from those pulses at the moment and take it from there.

Placing a Digital meter across the wires shows ac voltage coming out of anywhere between 3 to 15 volts of course depending how fast you spin the wheel.
Will see if I got any normal torch bulbs around and see if it can supply enough current to light that.

Regards

Sean.

Beware of judging output with LEDs.

LEDs require a tiny current to run. They are a poor indication of anything. If you look at this:
http://www.powermanagementdesignline.com/products/188700611
you will see LEDs running off 0.25 mA. (Don't know the voltage).
Paul.

[peter_schmalenbach]

I am quite intrigued by Peter's endeavor. Peter, do you have a way to study the exact form of the quasi-toroid magnetic field in your device and can you show it here? Also, what will happen if you start the ball from another point not from the 14th (I guess) station? What exactly is the problem with the track at the sticky point, can you draw it and show us? Why would a laser cutter solve it?

Hello all,

I can start the ball from each stage (somewhere). The speed then is a little bit slower (a little bit slow down).
I think if all stages have the same characteristics (like 16, 1, 2, .... until 13) the ball permanently rotates (makes revolutions).

There are not any problems with the stages 14 and 15.

I could adjust immediately now these stages like the other good stages, but then I also must correct (change, alter, tune) the stages 11, 12, 13 and 16, 1 and 2. This needs a minimum of 2-3 days working time. During the last 4 months I only had adjusted and tuned the magnets (I had forgotten my family).

There is a working - toleranz of +/- 0.3 - 0.4 mm in all the hollows and +/-  1 mm in the length of the hollows. ==> therefore laser cutter needed

I'll try to adjust 14 and 15 in the next weeks. At the moment I let the device in its present condition (state) because the ball runs so well and good.

In this condition I want to demonstrate the device in some companies and labors (e.g. SIEMENS).

I need help from a professional company or from a laboratory.
But you know what the most of them say: "It cannot work ......"

http://www.schmalenbach.de/video3.mpg
http://www.schmalenbach.de/patent  ==>big fotos, drawings  (in German, but I think that's not a problem / "Bild" = foto)

Regards
Peter Schmalenbach