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$25,000 National Geographic Contest - Compressed Air (Ambient Heat) Energy

Started by Tom Booth, August 18, 2017, 12:27:35 PM

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Tom Booth

Quote from: memoryman on August 25, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
There are several articles, sometimes under Mark Dansie's name. Her is one:
http://revolution-green.com/defining-flow-energy-real-quest-free-energy/
Understand that we want WORK done; ENERGY is the means to get WORK.

In regard to re-establishing an imbalance. The drinking Bird, as silly as it may seem, does just that. How? by disposing of the excess heat of the ambient with evaporative cooling. There is, as a matter of fact, no actual "sink" or "cold reservoir". Experiments have shown that even ABOVE ambient temperature water IN THE GLASS will work and the bird will still keep going.

When air is compressed, WHILE ALSO BEING COOLED by a water jacket (or a radiator or any form of heat exchanger to eliminate the excess heat). Energy is, in effect GAINED because the compression process becomes easier. If the heat of compression is removed the compression process becomes that much easier. That is, Hot air when cooled contracts in volume on its own so that not so much energy needs to be expended in the compression process. Tripler made this observation in regard to his Air Liquifier. By drawing off the heat of compression, he related how he did not have to use as much energy to compress the air.

We live in what amounts to a hot furnace. Earth's atmosphere is extremely hot, relatively speaking. The problem of maintaining or re-establishing an imbalance is a problem of somehow throwing off all that EXCESS heat we are surrounded by. That is not such a difficult engineering problem once the goal of eliminating heat, rather than accumulating more of it is clearly identified.

Running steam engines on liquid air is possible, but on a large scale there are enormous difficulties. It is certainly POSSIBLE as Tripler demonstrated, but probably not very practical in the long run. For one thing, liquid air is violently explosive if contained. Tripler himself identified the potential military applications. You couldn't keep a tank full of liquid air in your car's gas tank. It would either explode or it would boil away and go to waste. Cryogenic temperatures required to make liquid air present material problems. A Stirling engine could operate at much more manageable temperatures.

lancaIV

   http://www.astrofoil.net/astrofoil.insulation.r-values.html
                     "neutral temperature"
           http://www.astrofoil.net/img51.gif
                    the last sentance:

           All objects ........ no temperature ...... an object.   

                  Brownian movement 
    in a perfect vacuum=no friction/resistance ambiance

                     Michael Rodriguez
                     http://gigadron.com/
                     http://whatistemperature.com/


http://www.astrofoil.net/
http://www.astrofoil.net/astrofoil.insulation.tech1.html
http://www.astrofoil.net/img75.gif

madddann

Quote from: lancaIV on August 24, 2017, 07:17:17 PM
Hello memoryman,
related "...Simon Derricut has been running.." :
is he ready with his re-/search  and can he demonstrate his functional results pro-to-type-ly ?

Is there a need for a "cold sink" or in reality an "heat sink" ?
What is about RT=room temperature as metrical NN,base-line ?l

He have this,his, affords later by and with altrustic mention/man(n)er (to stay in remind):
https://www.google.pt/search?q=wilhelm+haeberle+heat+patent&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=rV2fWezUFKGp8weinrXIDA


Sincerely
             OCWL


Hello lancaIV!

There are some interesting patents to be found at that link, too bad I don't speak german, but by the description the patent you linked to seems to be something like this one - see picture - I made an excerpt from the patent attached...
There I found also another patent about replacing an expansion valve with a roots blower - also attached...
All of this could make an interesting system, I'm interested at the opinions of everyone.
Also, did anyone try to build systems similar to this?

Hope i'm not too much offtopic, just tought to post this, so here it is.

Tom Booth

I have a few questions regarding the diagram: What exactly is "the transporting means".?

Also why is heat being introduced into the evaporator?

It seems the turbine drives everything else, but I'm not clear on what drives the turbine. The heat entering the (cold) evaporator? Perhaps I'm not comprehending the system, but it appears like one would be putting a heater inside an ice box. Rather than somehow driving the turbine, wouldn't the heat entering the evaporator simply destroy the cold side of the temperature diference created by the heat pump. The key to unlocking the mystery of this apparent contradiction is, I suppose "the transport means", but at this point I can only guess what "the transport means" actually consists of.

lancaIV

Quote from: Tom Booth on August 26, 2017, 02:45:03 AM
I have a few questions regarding the diagram: What exactly is "the transporting means".?

Also why is heat being introduced into the evaporator?

It seems the turbine drives everything else, but I'm not clear on what drives the turbine. The heat entering the (cold) evaporator? Perhaps I'm not comprehending the system, but it appears like one would be putting a heater inside an ice box. Rather than somehow driving the turbine, wouldn't the heat entering the evaporator simply destroy the cold side of the temperature diference created by the heat pump. The key to unlocking the mystery of this apparent contradiction is, I suppose "the transport means", but at this point I can only guess what "the transport means" actually consists of.

Hello Mr.Booth,
at first I will give you the above image descriprion,dwlivered ny the WIPI-system:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19850704&DB=&locale=&CC=WO&NR=8502881A1&KC=A1&ND=1#

so you can read and imagine 3 to 4th dimensional the exothermic and internal thermic energy converting process,
I hope so that the inventor did translate this procedere clearly enough.

Probably later there will be a potential for less important questions !

Sincerely
             OCWL

p.a.: wishing a nice weekend,cristian calandar viewside