Skinner 1939 gravity machine centrifugal force tests and hope

[sm0ky2]

Did the test show that the mass was effected, changed or some how no longer under the influence of gravity,,,,, or did it show that the lever arm moment was modified or decreased by  precesion.


All the tests I have seen that were done on a scale had the scale showing the same weight.

A lot of people confuse mass with weight.
and weight with gravitational energy.
The first two are as far apart as the second two.


Mass is an inherent property of physical matter.
The mass of an object stays the same wherever you put it.
The weight of an object is a property of the gravitational field it is in.
objects can have positive or negative weight, but the mass stays the same.
Here on earth, the acceleration is positive (9.8m/s/s).
Things less than the mass of the earth, have a positive weight.


gravitational energy is a function of local time-space.
relative velocity plays a major part in this. (at speeds close to c)
Your "apparent weight" at close to light-speed would be much greater.
This effects the moment of inertia as well as our use of mass, mathematically.


These are very simplistic terms to vaguely describe extremely complex interactions,
I say these things only to point out that the forces at play are different in nature.
And should not be considered as the same things. Though they are all interrelated.


Also, scales read force. Generally in one vector.
And it is easily proven that no matter where you place your scale, in the experiment
you are not measuring all of the forces, in all of the vectors.
The force in the downward vector will always be g
So, empirically your weight never changes on earth. But your "effective weight" can.
it is the forces in the other vectors that control your "effective weight".
Bouyancy, centrifugal forces, magnetism, inertia/momentum, whatever the case may be.


When we consider a rotating mass shifting from the horizontal plane of rotation,
to a non-horizontal vector, forces come into play that are not in the vertical vector.
these can translate to a reduction or an increase in "effective weight".
The result is an increase or decrease in gravitational acceleration.


A gyro on a lever, with a balanced counter weight will "see-saw" in response to changes in
rotation as well as changes in angle of rotation.
two gyros on a central axis can cause rotation of the arm or wheel about its axis.


In the horizontal plane, we can see these forces at play independently
In other vectors, the gravitational force is factored in.

[ramset]

Sm0ky2

Recently Les Banki forwarded this simple experiment from Kevin Hays [along with other experiments from Kevin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9KCI5J-Thg

a friend of ours is building to investigate the claim , he is a very good open source builder ...but likes his quiet time when investigating claims .

will update when results arrive .

and yes to the rolling eyes in the cheap seats...we know its impossible..

or is It?

no stone left unturned

Edit
Hmmm
I see the flogging continues below ...
that poor pony needs some oats...

but yes Mr.Hays does grow.....errrr medical pharmaceuticals....

[TinselKoala]

... "Stoned" being the operative word here, I think....

[Eighthman]

I don't see that Vialle's balance beam experiment involved precession exactly. Nor do I see much benefit in arguing definitions if it is possible to transiently overcome gravity in a rotating mass, in such a way as to allow a net gain of energy.


Indeed, one reason I think this field is worth looking at is because it is viewed as tin foil hat 'toxic' or a dead end because centrifugal force gets labeled as a pseudo force and after that all thinking seems to stop.  Pat answers are eagerly accepted by physics people and the matter ends there.  In addition, the people who actually bother to experiment keep misunderstanding the causes of what they observe - or fail to figure out how to close the loop.  Hence, skeptics appear and dismiss whatever gadget is shown by questioning any continuing input. As with Skinner....

[centraflow]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travel-truths/how-do-zero-gravity-planes-work-parabolic-flights/


<regards


Mike