The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....

[Magluvin]

it is what it is....


you want me to leave.....don't give me anything to reply to.....

I know.  It is what it is for a long time now..


Trouble is that your replies just end up in distraction rather than actual helpful information, at least on our end of it. Like Jeg saying he has the complete picture now. You and I both know that cannot be true.

Like this from you...

""Inductance is the characteristic of an electrical circuit that makes itself evident by opposing the starting, stopping, or changing of current flow."


Three instances when EMF is induced....  How often does the current start, stop or change in either of the circuits?!?!  What are you doing during these key instances?!  How are you positioned to capitalize on opposition to change, how was Tesla?  How can you expect to understand what is being suggested by the use of the terms "flux capacitor" if your attention isn't focused on the flux!?  Which flux!?  Capacitor?  What capacitor?"

When we had a conversation a while back, you brought up Bedini coils, which are Bifi, some trifi, etc, So I may need to assume that you are using a bifi in your version of the ozone circuit. 

So when you say above, 'What capacitor?"  I have to assume that either the 1 cap that we know about in the ozone circuit has nothing to do with what your trying to describe, OR, that there is another capacitor in the circuit.

Then you say....

"There is no if....  ozone can be produced by the motor windings.  Your ideas regarding bifilar are borrowed, and in case you aren't aware, I have no interest in parasitic capacitance...  your present line of thinking will not help you accomplish what I am suggesting is possible."   

Well we only know that you are saying that ozone is produced in the motor windings, we have no proof that it is true.

And if you are saying that you have no interest in the parasitic capacitance, that would suggest to me that you are still using a bifi coil but not for its capacitance.

So the only other option for the use of the bifi would be to use one of the bifi windings as a control coil in the bifi windings, control as if when we short one winding, it acts like a shorted secondary which would bring the very high inductance value of the coil very low so that it no longer has the cemf effects when the other winding is shorted.

But then again, I can only assume that what I just said may only result in a WTF moment from you.    Lets see....

Mags

[MileHigh]

Since the natives are restless, I will do something positive to rally the troops:

The Tesla Ozone Patent in modern technical English:

To whom it may concern:

There is a DC electric motor C that blows air down an enclosed trough.  Opposite sides of the trough have plates P that have an alternating high voltage between them that produces the ozone.

The current for the DC electric motor is routed through a cylindrical commutator E that is on the shaft of the motor.  The commutator and associated brushes form the controller H.  The controller will periodically interrupt the current that flows through the motor coils.  When the current to the motor is interrupted by the controller it is directed into an LC resonator formed by coil M and high-voltage capacitor L.  Coil M also forms the primary of a transformer, the secondary of the transformer is coil N.

When the controller interrupts the current to the motor, the motor coils discharge their current through the coil N of the LC resonator and charge up capacitor L to a high voltage.  A short time later the controller disconnects motor's coils leaving the capacitor charged.  A short time after that the controller connects the capacitor to the coil M and there is an LC resonant ring down.  Coil M couples to the secondary coil N which amplifies the AC voltage across coil M.  The ends of coil N connect to the plates P resulting in a very high voltage alternating potential across the plates.  This very high voltage across the plates P produces ozone as the air starts to conduct current.  This will drain energy out of the LC resonator.  A fan is connected to the motor to blow air through the enclosed trough.

[tinman]

Since the natives are restless, I will do something positive to rally the troops:

The Tesla Ozone Patent in modern technical English:

To whom it may concern:

There is a DC electric motor C that blows air down an enclosed trough.  Opposite sides of the trough have plates P that have an alternating high voltage between them that produces the ozone.

The current for the DC electric motor is routed through a cylindrical commutator E that is on the shaft of the motor.  The commutator and associated brushes form the controller H.  The controller will periodically interrupt the current that flows through the motor coils.  When the current to the motor is interrupted by the controller it is directed into an LC resonator formed by coil M and high-voltage capacitor L.  Coil M also forms the primary of a transformer, the secondary of the transformer is coil N.

When the controller interrupts the current to the motor, the motor coils discharge their current through the coil N of the LC resonator and charge up capacitor L to a high voltage.  A short time later the controller disconnects motor's coils leaving the capacitor charged.  A short time after that the controller connects the capacitor to the coil M and there is an LC resonant ring down.  Coil M couples to the secondary coil N which amplifies the AC voltage across coil M.  The ends of coil N connect to the plates P resulting in a very high voltage alternating potential across the plates.  This very high voltage across the plates P produces ozone as the air starts to conduct current.  This will drain energy out of the LC resonator.  A fan is connected to the motor to blow air through the enclosed trough.

Spot on MH.

[Magluvin]

Since the natives are restless, I will do something positive to rally the troops:

The Tesla Ozone Patent in modern technical English:

To whom it may concern:

There is a DC electric motor C that blows air down an enclosed trough.  Opposite sides of the trough have plates P that have an alternating high voltage between them that produces the ozone.

The current for the DC electric motor is routed through a cylindrical commutator E that is on the shaft of the motor.  The commutator and associated brushes form the controller H.  The controller will periodically interrupt the current that flows through the motor coils.  When the current to the motor is interrupted by the controller it is directed into an LC resonator formed by coil M and high-voltage capacitor L.  Coil M also forms the primary of a transformer, the secondary of the transformer is coil N.

When the controller interrupts the current to the motor, the motor coils discharge their current through the coil N of the LC resonator and charge up capacitor L to a high voltage.  A short time later the controller disconnects motor's coils leaving the capacitor charged.  A short time after that the controller connects the capacitor to the coil M and there is an LC resonant ring down.  Coil M couples to the secondary coil N which amplifies the AC voltage across coil M.  The ends of coil N connect to the plates P resulting in a very high voltage alternating potential across the plates.  This very high voltage across the plates P produces ozone as the air starts to conduct current.  This will drain energy out of the LC resonator.  A fan is connected to the motor to blow air through the enclosed trough.

"When the controller interrupts the current to the motor, the motor coils discharge their current through the coil N of the LC resonator and charge up capacitor L to a high voltage.  A short time later the controller disconnects motor's coils leaving the capacitor charged.  A short time after that the controller connects the capacitor to the coil M and there is an LC resonant ring down."

That part is not correct.

There is no short times of disconnection of the motor to the input, etc.  When the switch is closed the input powers the motor directly, and when the switch opens, the motor windings are still connected to the input only it now has the cap and primary in series loop with the motor and the input during the cap charge time. Then the same switch closes and the input is again direct to the motor windings AND the same switch connects the cap across the primary, repeat.

You should go over the patent better to understand where you are not correct here.

Mags

[MileHigh]

You could very well be be right but I gave a bare-bones description and didn't really discuss the motor connections through the whole cycle and I focused on the ozone generation.

Since the circuit is so simple and the principles of operation are so simple if somebody really wanted to they could draw up a proper schematic and add to my text description to make it more complete.  Since it is not easy to describe how the commutator/controller works on the schematic, the full description of the circuit could be fleshed out with a timing diagram that describes the operation of the circuit through a full 360 degree rotation at the operating RPM.

Here is what could be put on the timing diagram:

1.  The motor brush contact ON/OFF switching function
2.  The current draw from the DC source  (this is also the instantaneous power consumption)
3.  The torque pulses produced by the motor
4.  The voltage across the LC resonator
5.  The current through the LC resonator
6.  The instantaneous energy level in the LC resonator
7.  The voltage across the secondary
8.  The current through the secondary (current flow yields ozone production)
9.  The instantaneous power output from the secondary (which produces ozone)
10.  The commutator/controller ON/OFF switching function (annotated with arrows to other traces showing how a switching event initiates or ends an event on another channel)
11.  A possible second (?) commutator ON/OF switching function if required

And for the hard-core people focused on ENERGY:

12.  The accumulated energy drawn by the circuit through one full rotation (i.e.; the integral of the instantaneous power consumption)
13.  The accumulated energy dissipated by the circuit through one full rotation (l.e.; the integral of the instantaneous power dissipation at all points in the circuit and the power output )

If somebody did that then the Tesla ozone patent would be completely explained and there would be no ambiguity about how it works and there would be no more misconceptions and myths associated with it.  Do that and then all of the business about "Tesla hiding something in the patent" will end.