Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[tinman]

The biggest mystery that remains to me is how the large capacitor bank can get charged up
to such a high amount in the short cap charging window durations that it can keep the battery fully
charged up when pulsed into the battery. If someone can demonstrate this showing that the battery can
stay truly charged up even when running for 2 or more days steady, that would really be something....

Here is a comment that John Bedini made about the Watson generator in reply to someone using
the user name 'Electricity' in the Energetic Forum back in Nov. 2010.
John mentions you just need 'one mono pole energizer'.  What exactly is Bedini's 'mono pole energizer'?
Does he mean an energizer where all the magnets are oriented the same way and all the coils are in phase?

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http://www.energeticforum.com/117591-post48.html?s=825af460b5aafab19b288e41b7a711ad
11-20-2010, 04:30 PM
John_Bedini

The Watson Answer
Electricity,
The mystery is none as it is right in front of you. I will give it to you again.

The machine requires one DC motor, 555 timer circuit for pulses to chop the DC motor, one mono pole energizer and one large mass weight wheel. The two signals are out of phase from each other, and a capacitor tuned to the energizer. That is the mystery. Other than that some simple wiring, you won't do it on a small scale. As I said it is right in front of your eyes. It's the way you think about it.

On a big scale it's very easy to work on. Simple logic the bigger the generator section is the slower you must turn it. Since it is not a conventional generator you must store the charge before you discharge
the capacitors to the batteries. If the timing is right the batteries charge right up to full.

It's your own mind stopping you from success as your own mind understands what your intentions are, that is what is stopping you.
All your questions have been answered for years. Very easy to see that once the machine works we will never here of you again.
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Edit:
By a 'tuned' capacitor, I would guess he means that you should try different total capacitance values in your
cap bank and see what works best. Obviously though the cap bank total capacitance has to be chosen to charge
to a voltage higher than the battery voltage or the battery won't charge...
In another comment I saw from Bedini somewhere else, he mentioned that the cap bank only needs to charge to 2 volts
above the battery voltage to get good results, but he was referring to a different setup there I think.

John Bedini also mentions above that "you wont do it on a small scale", so it would seem
based on this that if you build it too small scale it won't work...


All the best...

John says in his 1984 book-bedinis free energy generator,that his working modle had a 1/12 hp motor-or 60 watts.
This means his working modle was very small-not large.

Brad

[Grumage]

John says in his 1984 book-bedinis free energy generator,that his working modle had a 1/12 hp motor-or 60 watts.
This means his working modle was very small-not large.

Brad

Indeed. And having studied this early device you can see how John morphed it towards a motor/generator like the SSG.

Cheers Graham.

[Void]

John says in his 1984 book-bedinis free energy generator,that his working modle had a 1/12 hp motor-or 60 watts.
This means his working modle was very small-not large.
Brad

Hi Tinman. Keep in mind I was quoting John Bedini who was commenting on the Watson machine...

Edit:
Here is some info I found on Jim Watson's demonstration at the Tesla Symposium in 1984:
https://energy-tesla.com/john-bedini-energizers-1/
"Bedini's demonstration was followed by Jim Watson, a research scientist living in Colorado Springs.
Watson presented two working devices similar to John Bedini's. The smaller device was running during
Watson's entire presentation and the audience could verify that the battery was being recharged constantly.
The larger device, which weighed 800 pounds, was demonstrated only for 10 minutes due to practical reasons.
During this time a constant load of 12kw could be withdrawn from the device. The device itself was powered by
two 12v car batteries. Jim sold us all out, and I have moved on to other things."

It sounds like Jim Watson didn't demonstrate either device very long, with the big machine only running for ten minutes.

I also read that the theory of where the OU is coming from in these Bedini setups is supposedly to do with shaking
up the ions or something like that in lead acid batteries, and supposedly causing the batteries to charge up in some
very unusual way.  In that case it seems the cap discharge pulses that you send to the battery wouldn't have to equal
the power the battery is supplying.  Power-wise it can apparently be less, and somehow if you get things 'tuned' right
the battery will supposedly stay charged up fully. So it seems there is some mysterious 'tuning process' involved in there
that you have to fiddle with to get the OU battery charging mode to occur. It seems this mysterious tuning process
to get the magic OU battery charging effect is what people have been having problems succeeding at.


All the best...

[wattsup]

@tinman

Oh boy. Is it not hard enough just to keep time for bench works but then having to put time on responding to such conversations makes it hard to work so I just don't know how you do it for so many years now. Full respect to you man.

So, just by the specs of your chosen main components as rated voltage, amperage, rpm for their standard operational mode, I will know if you have a chance or not. Standard components are made for specific tasks so if you can run them in their standard rpm ratings, you can expect a certain result. If in theory the stator is too small to send back what the dc motor needs, then stop and choose a better match. Don't do anything before you have that. The system flywheel can be hand turned to start it up. You want your battery rating to be around 2 volts below the gen rectified output. Do not forget that the 2 volts needs to be there while the stator is under drag. 20% of the battery amperage rating should equal the charge amperage available. No more. If not matching you may otherwise have to step up to charge the battery and hold enough amperage but that will cause drag that will lower rpm BUT increase torque. You know. When you increase rpm you decrease torque that pulls less drag that produces less amps output. All this is very standard EE. So once you have found that greatest balance of standard components, then you can start playing the control but before then, don't put one more minute on any mismatched toys. All your time is precious so choose well from the start. I have come to realize that most experiments are already checkmated by the low level of consideration given too component matching. Could say more if interested.

Last point on the act of replicating. Don't. Why would you want to replicate the same undisclosed methods and mistakes of the past because they promise something extra? Is your present intellect not good enough to tackle the puzzle of OU. @Erfinder says "replicate". hahaha. It's like saying "Flunk like the last guy". You have grown your brain for the challenges of today and not to replicate the errors of the past. In most cases, you can do mind experiments or small sectional bench experiments to test past notions without going through the tedious task of precise replication of something that has NEVER been proven to be OU.

Last last point. There is one force available to all that requires nothing electric, magnetic, electronic, inductive, capacitive, reactive, etc. It's called mechanical leverage and if you are smart about using leverage to your advantage this will bring you 1/2 to 3/4 of the way to OU. In terms of leverage, a dc motor sharing its shaft with a flywheel and a generator wheel is the worst mix possible even in Bedinis time, regardless of the control method then required to make up for the drag on the generator wheel exterior that will push back tenfold on the dc motor shaft. Sooooooooooooo........ You all should know enough by know about all these subjects that you should be able to work your mind bench at full width of effects so that all you will ever want to build is your own eureka moment device. Then you can post it before you build and ask for devils advocates to cut it down. If they can, then either modify it or dump it. Go to the next eureka idea and the next  until all sides of effects are first considered and worked out in the mind before you deploy it on a build. Imagine how much terrain you will cover in the same time frame.

No leverage, no drag, no output.

wattsup

[Grumage]

The Rotor.