Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[TinselKoala]

It's pretty disturbing to see some of the most respected members here moderated Stefan. I have been attacked many times and educated in the process here. As have many others, we misread or mismeasured and rely on forum like this to have the claims checked. Questioning someone who is making $ off selling devices while claiming OU without clearly demonstrating it is a community service. The ou.com brand is a promise that there will be rigorous debate. I'm afraid you are damaging it  by moderating some of the best minds you have at your service.

I agree. Please Stefan re-instate those respected members, who are actually builders and highly experienced researchers. They are telling the truth. It makes absolutely no sense that these people would be put on moderation at all. Yet things like this are allowed to happen.   

[NickZ]

  Guys:  Did Stefan actually tell us WHO those guys were? Or are we barking up the wrong tree...
  I know that at least one of those misunderstandings has been cleared up. Without mentioning names. 

[DavidWolff]

I'm sort of new at posting but have been popping in and not getting too involved in the policies of the admin's views etc
Does, anyway have anyone seen Hoppy or AG or even Gyula don't know any others?

Ray

[ramset]

Nick Z
I have not seen Hoppy post today or since ....AG more quiet than usual and the magnificent gyula  is silent ...Partzman has been trying very hard to understand the claims here and he is a steadfast experimenter who never quits trying ...but is more than frustrated by recent events..and pushed beyond his limits ...
Vortex 1 [member ion elsewhere] who has helped countless people with simple measurement protocols [his super simple fixed loss to ambient protocol being just one example]

Has written a very fair assessment of recent events as well as what the more diligent open source community here has grown to expect.Builders that build and share are as rare as hens teeth in these venues and are the backbone of this one ...Their passion for this cause and their zeal ...was met with half measures and unknown motives , I suppose to teach in a forum for free and sell to others at a cost ...would be hard to explain to a customer ?

All who build here know.. any core as shown by the vendor's kit here... with a few specs... is reproducible in short order by the builders here !they do it all the time ... a schematic and a few words... a smidge of effort and none of this would have happened
and every builder here knows that...
open source works exactly like this .one man helping another !!
and there are plenty of great open source experiments coming to
the group..but without builders ..and those who help guide them ..with 100% transparency for all to check ?

Hard things like this really do test a group ...and here there is a group which shows they stick together ,,,and talent which boggles my mind.
Stefan we know this has been a long trip for you, and it may seem we don't get that you have to pay the bills and perhaps justify all the time it takes to run this forum...we get it !!

Also I understand we can go to a demonstration of Ricks work and take measurements to see things in person.as he has recommended many times here. In this group we have persons who practice metrology [as it applies to auditing joules within a circuit... also caloric measurement experts ..]
With very simple protocols , and working around meter reading and other issues.. exceptionally accurate results can be expected, looking forward to that opportunity !!
Chet

[e2matrix]

It's pretty disturbing to see some of the most respected members here moderated Stefan. I have been attacked many times and educated in the process here. As have many others, we misread or mismeasured and rely on forum like this to have the claims checked. Questioning someone who is making $ off selling devices while claiming OU without clearly demonstrating it is a community service. The ou.com brand is a promise that there will be rigorous debate. I'm afraid you are damaging it  by moderating some of the best minds you have at your service.

Ditto.  Agree.   If someone like Gyula has been put on moderation that is totally nuts.   He not only has the highest integrity but some of the greatest knowledge.   And others here that have helped so much and built so much.   Come on Stefan.   I don't want to start thinking Rick is paying you ....