Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[tinman]

Hi Brad. I had already read both JB's 1984 book and the info on Tom Bearden's site you referenced.
That's why I commented previously here that at least some of the claimed OU effect is supposed to be related to pulsing the battery
and some supposed effect of resonating the ion movement with the 'vacuum energy' or something like that, based on Tom Bearden's
theories. I was surprised that you said John's own 1984 setup described in his booklet didn't have a separate flywheel, as the picture
included in that JB 1984 booklet shows what appears to be a separate flywheel on JB's device. John experimented with a lot of different
setups, and many of his other setups didn't have a separate flywheel. It may not matter if the flywheel is separate
or part of the energizer rotor, if the energizer rotor has enough mass on its own to double as a flywheel.

I'll be interested to see how your JB 1984 device replication attempt performs.
All you can do is replicate as close as you can figure it was built by JB with the info that
is available.  John has mentioned using welding rods to make the soft iron cores in the past, so soft iron
wire or soft iron rod may work about the same. A person has to be practical in part choices otherwise they
may never be able to make any replication attempt. It sounds like what you are constructing should be
reasonably close to what JB did in his 1984 device based on the info that is available.

All the best...

Yes,one had a flywheel,and one used the heay rotor as the flywheel.

You will also notice that the one without a stand alone flywheel,had the coils placed around the circumference of the rotor,and not facing the face of the rotor as shown in the posted schematic.
Looks to be only 3 coils as well.

The solid soft iron cores are an issue for me,as they would not be as efficient as laminated steel cores-but we have to replicate as close as we can get to the original machine.


Brad

[AlienGrey]

yes JB's Radiant Oscillator ( an Oscillator that produces more out than put in) and can run on it's own steam, In one of his vids he said / quoted that he was threatened over the device. Strange how he produced a beefed up version just before he died.
It's on JB website and reference on google

[Magluvin]

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I'll make it real simple for you Mag's,as it would seem that you want me gone.

You post a video-along with the full schematic and construction specifications,of a self running/self charging machine,that works as JB claims his dose,and i'll leave this forum the day some one replicates the device,and confirms that it works as claimed by the inventer(other than Erfinder)-->hows that for a deal 

Nope.
Im putting it together for confirmation --one way or the other.
The negativity stems from the countless years of !books of bullshit!,where the Bedini group sell books on false pretenses==that being,it will show the buyer the way to make a free energy device--all the secrets are exposed.
Thats where the negativity comes from Mag's.

And just where did you get that from?

I think you are mixed up with-->i am against those that come into this thread,claiming that they know it all,but have nothing to show or share--those that claim that things are being done wrong,but cannot provide information as to how to do it right.

My replication will be as stated by the inventor,where clear instructions are given in the book the inventor wrote him self,on the very device being replicated here.

I love fishing Mag's.
I never catch anything,but i keep going,in the hope that next time,i will land the big one.


Because i know first hand what can be achieved,and keep looking for an answer to one single question i have regarding one of my own machines--and one which you will be seeing some time in feb-march next year.

I do,as long as you can provide what i asked for above.

The best way to prove me wrong,is to show what i say dose not exist 
I will be more than happy to leave this forum Mag's,if thats what it takes to bring a free energy device to everyone here.


Brad

I had said much earlier that I would not reply here again. But Tk made reference to me so I had the right to reply. So beyond this post I will  NOT reply any further. AND, I simply had to reply to Wattsups post as it seems very odd what he implied, and he has yet to return to clarify.

When I made the alternative bet for you to keep your nut, it was just a way of saying here is a lighter alternative to mutilating yourself.  I meant what I said just as seriously as you were about your nut. I know you would not do it. And I did say in my post..."Not that I would like to see that happen really" so we can drop all bets as they will never happen either way.. So your statement of "I'll make it real simple for you Mag's,as it would seem that you want me gone" is not so.

It is clear that you do not believe you will ever see any good results from this Bedini build. For example....

"The negativity stems from the countless years of !books of bullshit!,where the Bedini group sell books on false pretenses==that being,it will show the buyer the way to make a free energy device--all the secrets are exposed.
Thats where the negativity comes from Mag's."

"The best way to prove me wrong,is to show what i say dose not exist"

"After years of experimenting,i bet my left nut that the washing machine motor would make a far more efficient generator than that which Bedini used in his energizer."

And those are from only from this recent page 15 alone let alone what you said earlier.


Then there is reply #207
"Ok,some facts about Bedini's  actual energizer he had working on his bench-well what he claimed was working on his bench......."

Well according to what you were first building here and saying all N out is not necessary or better than your washing machine motors NSNS config and "guessing" that there were rectifiers in the coils, etc, it is clear that you knew nothing about this bedini machine till you read the book here recently, yet you had and STILL have all these ideas and convictions of what you thought it was and just proceeded to apply what you thought was a better way of going about it.  As of late it is very clear you knew nothing much at all on this machine before you read the book. So your Bedini bashing has been based on what you have heard and seen from others and not by your own investigations on the subject to come to your own educated conclusions.


This is what ER had issues with and I do also.


Also from reply #207....  "1-why all north out with the magnets?. The answer is simple."

Yeah, sure.  But earlier before you read the book, how simple was it then? It was all nonsense according to you.

Too many people, and even to say, too many smart and respectable people here, have all these preconceived notions and imagined ideas to put down things they clearly dont know anything about, of which this thread produces proofs of that, of which Im clarifying here in this post.


"I think-like all those before you,you will be sadly dissapointed as to how much you !dont! get from Erfinder."

Well right now I can say that this statement is only your opinion and far from the truth that I know right now. I will not divulge what I have learned from him as I have very high respect of him at this jucture. Very. He will disclose his years of clearly very great knowledge, way beyond many, in his own time. With your device on the shelf you refer to at times, and the arrogant claims you make of it and imply that it is special, and do not disclose how to build it or what the principles are that make it so special to the people here, you are showing you are in the same position he is in with what he knows. This is clearly hypocritical of you. And right here and now, I can say he would rock your world with just 1 of his discoveries let alone the many other ideas and discoveries he has made. At this point, compared to everything I have seen here over the years, he IS top gun. And I can say that without having to bet my nut because I know that I would never have to drop my pants to fill that bet.


My stance on replicators having positive initiatives towards OU still stands. That is what this site is 'suppose' to be all about.  And clearly by many of your statements here, you are only doing all this to prove Bedini was a complete fraud and not to actually see if there is something special to it.

Nuff said. Good luck in your endeavors, what ever they may be.

Mags

[tinman]

Efficient how?  as in what do you see there function as?  as in what if they were not being used like a "normal" coil with core for induction.
Maybe they are part of a "magnetic" capacitor of some sort that allows the PM to move past the coil\core and get closer to the next coil\core before that "magnetic" capacitor is discharged out via the coil into the low resistance, low voltage battery??




The "normal" capacitor will be offering a high resistance,, so higher voltage lower current but maybe still able to hold an opposing field to the changing PM and maybe somehow holding the soft iron core "charged",,,,


Just rambling outside the box a little,,  looking at things from a backwards view so to say.  This way, however, the Energizer might also be a motor during the discharge pulse,, a pulse motor of sorts??

I am referring to eddy current drag,where the solid soft iron core would have far more drag than a laminated steel core--this is why we use laminated cores today.


Brad

[tinman]

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I had said much earlier that I would not reply here again. But Tk made reference to me so I had the right to reply. So beyond this post I will  NOT reply any further. AND, I simply had to reply to Wattsups post as it seems very odd what he implied, and he has yet to return to clarify.

You are always welcome to post here Mag's--that has not changed.

Also from reply #207....  "1-why all north out with the magnets?. The answer is simple."

Yeah, sure.  But earlier before you read the book, how simple was it then? It was all nonsense according to you.

The answer was simple Mag's.
It also clearly states in the same book,that alternators can be used to achieve the same effect.

Now,correct me if im wrong,but dont alternators produce an alternating current?..
Dose not my washing machine motor,when used as a generator, produce an alternating current?--is it then not an alternator?.

It is clear that you do not believe you will ever see any good results from this Bedini build.

Not true Mag's.
I told you i would give it my best,and as you have seen,i have corrected my mistakes as i go.
The more i find out,the more i will correct what i got wrong.
See next post.

"After years of experimenting,i bet my left nut that the washing machine motor would make a far more efficient generator than that which Bedini used in his energizer."

And i stand by that at this time.

Well according to what you were first building here and saying all N out is not necessary or better than your washing machine motors NSNS config and "guessing" that there were rectifiers in the coils, etc, it is clear that you knew nothing about this bedini machine till you read the book here recently, yet you had and STILL have all these ideas and convictions of what you thought it was and just proceeded to apply what you thought was a better way of going about it.  As of late it is very clear you knew nothing much at all on this machine before you read the book. So your Bedini bashing has been based on what you have heard and seen from others and not by your own investigations on the subject to come to your own educated conclusions.

Dose the diagram below not show a FWBR across the coil?
Dose it not say--John Bedini's 1984 energizer?

This is what ER had issues with and I do also.

Dont really care what Erfinder has issues with.

"I think-like all those before you,you will be sadly dissapointed as to how much you !dont! get from Erfinder."

I have spoken to many that came before you,and i think the only dissapointment was spending some much time,and getting nothing in the end.
Lets hope it is different for you.

Well right now I can say that this statement is only your opinion and far from the truth that I know right now. I will not divulge what I have learned from him as I have very high respect of him at this jucture. Very. He will disclose his years of clearly very great knowledge, way beyond many, in his own time.

It is the opinion of many others as well.
Erfinder and myself go wayyyy back.
Some things just never change.

With your device on the shelf you refer to at times, and the arrogant claims you make of it and imply that it is special, and do not disclose how to build it or what the principles are that make it so special to the people here, you are showing you are in the same position he is in with what he knows. This is clearly hypocritical of you.

Not at all.
I dont go to every thread,and tell people they are doing it wrong,just because i believe i am the only one that knows how to do it right.

And right here and now, I can say he would rock your world with just 1 of his discoveries let alone the many other ideas and discoveries he has made. At this point, compared to everything I have seen here over the years, he IS top gun. And I can say that without having to bet my nut because I know that I would never have to drop my pants to fill that bet.

Well,your on a winner then.
No need to bother with us simple folk here then.

My stance on replicators having positive initiatives towards OU still stands. That is what this site is 'suppose' to be all about.  And clearly by many of your statements here, you are only doing all this to prove Bedini was a complete fraud and not to actually see if there is something special to it.

Once again--you have me wrong.

I said i would give it my best shot,and i am doing just that--see next post.