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Confirmation of OU devices and claims

Started by tinman, November 10, 2017, 10:53:19 AM

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AlienGrey

Quote from: a.king21 on June 21, 2019, 03:32:37 PM
I understand where you are coming from.  However I have watched Rick's videos on more than one occasion and he explains everything thoroughly. I even sometimes find it tedious as he goes over points I know.  But that is the whole point -  he is thorough. You have built the window motor apparently. Well if you watch Rick's vids he tells you that it could do more than originally revealed.  He explains how the Heavyside component is trapped by the battery plates acting as capacitor capturing plates  of the Don Smith effect.   That immediately calls into question the physical placement of your batteries and associated leads  ie are they cancelling out the magnetic field?
So  I suggest you do some research on Rick's videos.
Here is a better picture of the device it has two coils one either side but it's got no trigger coil what it does have is 2 hall 3 pin devices to detect where the Neo's are, it will run ok but it's not a self runner the armature has two stacks of neo's along it's length N and S depending where it is in rotation I need to make it a full wave bridge when i get time. the circuity is different to the Badini as it has a pnp to invert the low side NPN so it's on the same time as the PNP high side transistor.

WhatIsIt

As I understand from Rick's videos and he's talks that rate of change (on/off time) is essence of Bedini.
It is not clear to me how Bedini can do that with PNP and NPN, because, mosfets are speed kings for that.
Even a cheap IRF540 can out speed any NPN for a lot... in a terms of on/off speed, which is must be, for Bedini system?

By the way, nice work AG!

rickfriedrich

1. Rate of change is basics essential.
2. Add Resonance for intermediate level.
3. Add impedance matching for advanced unlimited output.

Quote from: WhatIsIt on June 21, 2019, 09:27:11 PM
As I understand from Rick's videos and he's talks that rate of change (on/off time) is essence of Bedini.
It is not clear to me how Bedini can do that with PNP and NPN, because, mosfets are speed kings for that.
Even a cheap IRF540 can out speed any NPN for a lot... in a terms of on/off speed, which is must be, for Bedini system?

By the way, nice work AG!

rickfriedrich

See the problem is always the same, people always assume "more of the same" is the answer. You guys are stuck on assuming under unity is the only reality. At some point you have to ask yourself why bother looking anywhere for extra energy if you assume it will only equal to that anyway. Why do that? Where is the extra energy supposed to come into the system if you assume it can't?
You are assuming that bemf or the negative energy is something like electrons that can be measured. You don't get it. The energy does not travel from somewhere to a distant destination like current flow. You are assuming Kirchhoff's law somehow applies and it all has to equal out and that it is all current. But this energy doesn't flow but rather converges into the paths/loads. This is a true negative resistance process, but you are thinking it as a positive resistance. Therefore you cannot expect a larger load like a battery to receive more power over time than a smaller load. Naturally this doesn't make any sense to you. Because according to Kirchhoff you can't even have any electrical flow backwards anyway. So then how can a 300V battery be charged at all with a 12V input? Yet it can and does.
You guys keep repeating things that are not true at all. So then people who haven't done the testing assume there is some universal failure. But in fact tens of thousands of people, perhaps hundreds of thousands how "found efficient way to do it." Who is this "nobody" you refer to? If I have a fan of the billions of brushless fans in existence, like in the back of your computer, and I charge another battery at all, while the fan runs at the same speed and air flow then I have found an more efficient way have I not? This is old news. Where have you been all these years not to see this? I find these "nobody found it" statements to be actually part of psychological war against this research. It creates the idea over and over again that nobody has done anything when many have and it is actually old news...
So then why would I be right in saying rate of change and frequency if "nobody found efficient way to do it"? These are two opposite statements you are making. I don't understand. Notice I say that because then you go back to saying the same thing. But first, we are not talking about merely making motors more efficient. You are on the wrong forum if you are not seeking OU but merely more efficiency. Here we are focused not even on mere negative differential resistance but true negative resistance.
Back to you reverting back to the same current assumptions of out must equal in. If you are talking about current then that would have to be the case. But then why are we even kidding around about OU?
First point to consider, WHICH NO ONE BOTHERS TO PROPERLY EVALUATE. If you had say 100W input to drive a motor. If you get the motor action while you get 10W worth of electrical output would that not be significant. Your comment is supposing it is nothing unless it is above 100W output. But you forget the motor output. Now if you are charging a battery and get 75W worth of charging of a lead acid battery, you would be already needing 100W maybe to charge it that way normally. So if you can rotate around two batteries, while running the motor as intended, then you have more than 2 times the output because it takes more than 100% to charge a battery right? So I see many people as ungrateful for any additional output unless it is more than the input. This is a big mistake if you are using the motor as normal, like in the case of a fan.

Secondly, the spikes are not current so they amount to zero watts. This is a misunderstanding to think that it is again a matter of volts and amps. Again I ask, if it was so then where would extra energy enter in? This is why I asked G if resonance is a gain or not? If not then what are we doing here? If the pulse does not open a door up to the aether so that energy converges in to the negative resistor then who are we kidding people? Just how are you to expect any gain at all?

So what did you find interesting if you just assumed that the spike input would be the same as the spike on the output? How do you expect to find any gain?

Quote from: WhatIsIt on June 21, 2019, 08:06:05 PM
At least once, most of us tried to harvest back emf or use it somehow, but nobody found efficient way to do it.
You are right when you say that important thing is rate of change which produce more spikes. And then repetition, frequency.
With those two perfected it is possible to make only spikes very fast before current starts to flow and harvest only spikes.
That system would spend only little to drive.

But the question is will the spikes provide more power then input. In spikes could be hundreds of wats, but their transient is very short, so at the end, is there more power in spikes only than input?

Or if you feedback it, and use it at same time, it needs to be same or less than input (losses), for efficient system.

Any way I found your videos interesting.

Thanks!

WhatIsIt

Rick,

In your videos you stated "There is thousands of wats in that spikes", I don't wanna bother to watch them again to find in which one.
My post is comment to your statement from your video, and I didn't use word "thousand" like you do, it seems to me, too much overrated, so I used word hundreds.
And my post is answer to your statement. It still is. Transient of spikes are too short to be usable for large amounts of power in your system with input 12V, 4A.


Quote from: rickfriedrich on June 22, 2019, 03:39:56 AM
Secondly, the spikes are not current so they amount to zero watts.
Now, in your post you stated there is no power in spikes. I will not comment that because if you look only voltage with probe and not current you can not claim that. For that claim you have to look voltage and current transient and math will do the rest. I recommend LT Spice so you don't have to bench.

Quote from: rickfriedrich on June 22, 2019, 03:39:56 AM
So then how can a 300V battery be charged at all with a 12V input? Yet it can and does.
Battery of 300V can be charged that moment when your input is above 300V. Input can be 300,1V and it will charge 300V battery.
Any spike above 300V will start to charge that battery. How efficient, that is...??

Battery will recharge chemically also, so you gain here also.
Replace your batteries with capacitors and you will see how long your system will work. Batteries are not relevant for measuring. You can cheat on them, they are chemically compounds. They will charge without your intervention for a period and then collapse after a while of doing that. One of your cells will fry and then it is over.
With electrical impulses you can stimulate chemical process even more, that is cheating.

What is relevant is in/out transient math.
You can charge the earth, it has more capacity than battery.
You stated "the bigger load will charge more". Earth is bigger load than battery. You can try that, but true measurement with whole earth can not be done.
In your videos you measure input 4A. You never showed how much is going back and charge your battery. I doubt that is 4A. Maybe in mA.


Quote from: rickfriedrich on June 22, 2019, 03:39:56 AM
But in fact tens of thousands of people, perhaps hundreds of thousands how "found efficient way to do it." Who is this "nobody" you refer to?
I was wrong about that. Anyone who found efficient system did not return here to tell. So, word "nobody" is wrong.

I was interested in your term "negative energy" because I worked on negative but not energy system so I was curious to hear how much you know about it?
I am also interested in your terms "resonance" and "negative resistance".

Quote from: rickfriedrich on June 22, 2019, 03:39:56 AM
3. Add impedance matching for advanced unlimited output.
From this statement, I can only assume that you have achieved unlimited output. Only you know if this is true.

Quote from: rickfriedrich on June 22, 2019, 03:39:56 AM
2. Add Resonance for intermediate level.
What is resonance to you? Can you explain?

Quote from: rickfriedrich on June 22, 2019, 03:39:56 AM
This is a true negative resistance process, but you are thinking it as a positive resistance.
What is true negative resistance for you? Please explain this also. So, I can compare my findings with somebody who is more experienced like you. And don't talk about Kron, your words only.

Now, you will say this guy attacking me!
I don't. It is not my intention. If I does, this post will look very different than this.

I am still curious about your experience with Bedini and others and what you all accomplished over the years. I am still looking for that and did not found one promising too much.
So, it is interesting subject.