Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[ramset]

Seaad
That is a very good starting point
Trust absolutely no one... if that works for you .
Prove everything yourself in front of you .


How do you suggest it be changed ?


Of course what you describe would seem to be unique to this forum
As everywhere on the planet people exchange  and build and share
And move forward .


As a point of fact someone sends you something that they charge you for with plans and directions
I would imagine you would expect a refund if it didn't work?


Here on the Internet word-of-mouth(internet texting) is the single biggest vetting process for consumers
anything you buy of any value at all ,,,you absolutely rely on Feedback  from satisfied users
you investigate others experiences you look and search everywhere you possibly can for satisfied customers.  Or problems recalls issues etc. etc. etc.


To say ....in my opinion this model Doesn't work here at this unique particular forum  and several others?
Well that would be amazingly disingenuous
After all there are no published plans ,no part numbers , yes I agree you have to buy the kit and thankfully we have members that have bought the kit and are willing to share the results (Stefan friend)
so I suppose this is all hearsay or assumption until such a person steps forward with actual feedback from the actual product .
so yes I agree under the terms you describe absolutely 100% you cannot prove anything.


If you refer to your work ? is that what you were referring to?


Since you recently shared it ....the forum  has been an absolute mess
members can't post
people are afraid to write


Please be brutally honest with exactly what you mean?


Chet

[Mannix]

Got to love the humor
I have worked closely with batteries all my life, and for the last 15 years with battery charging. I think I know a thing or two about surface charge. I probably have at least one conversation every day about related subjects.
You have to understand how to properly determine the actual capacity of a battery. I have 6 industrial chargers that do that with multiple resistive loads and programing. Once you know the battery's actual capacity then you can do full test runs and see this. This is why I can't do YouTube videos of proper tests that take days or weeks. But I have recorded very long videos.
We are not dealing with surface charge. You may be dealing with desulfating processes, or pushing up voltages on batteries that have no real capacity.
We can run different loads as well. But with batteries you need to run over time when you know what you are doing.

It is astounding that you, of all people would ever need any type of  battery charger.
I would suppose that they are all gathering dust with dried out caps by now .

C'mon Rick the guys here are asking for your best shot at proof even though you and I know that it will be picked apart.

A smart guy like yourself should be able to make a case with the details that conventionaly taught people understand.

That may well give problems for the less educated and vise versa.

So far all of your info is broken, incomplete, with some real but perhaps honest mistakes .

All we have here is a long debate where you win many irrelevant battles but fail in the war department.

[a.king21]

Interesting, why are the cables go underneath and not in the box?
Will he proof overunity over the Internet? Will the "experts" now also ask for exact measurements, Scope Shots and calculations?

I think there must be a language barrier here.  Void says his build is not overunity - but I agree that he could have posted a circuit diagram.

[rickfriedrich]

Chet,
You have to take this in context. We are talking about proofs of demonstration. These need to be proven by ourselves. That's the whole point. These forums are merely about sharing information. People get too hyper about claims. They just need to relax. We live in a day of opinions so there is little grounds for trust anyway.
Feedback on products is a different matter than popularity vote for major world changing things like free energy where there is so much at stake.
You will have to go back and read what was shared and not assume what you write. There are published part numbers, directions, etc. There has been for 15 years. But that's OK to ignore and just repeat the same thing over and over to give a wrong impression.
Again, I choose to share what I did here for various reasons. You guys assume that I have shared here everything that I have shared publicly. Why? I have shared a lot more and very specifically elsewhere. But you guys judge me as if I haven't done that. This proves my point again and again. I have said many times what parts to use and what to do. But here people have mostly aggressively attacked and assumed the worst. They are desperately looking to disprove in any possible way good or bad.
So maybe you should take a little more time and not assume the worst again. You indicated you would act different...

Seaad
That is a very good starting point
Trust absolutely no one... if that works for you .
Prove everything yourself in front of you .


How do you suggest it be changed ?


Of course what you describe would seem to be unique to this forum
As everywhere on the planet people exchange  and build and share
And move forward .


As a point of fact someone sends you something that they charge you for with plans and directions
I would imagine you would expect a refund if it didn't work?


Here on the Internet word-of-mouth(internet texting) is the single biggest vetting process for consumers
anything you buy of any value at all ,,,you absolutely rely on Feedback  from satisfied users
you investigate others experiences you look and search everywhere you possibly can for satisfied customers.  Or problems recalls issues etc. etc. etc.


To say ....in my opinion this model Doesn't work here at this unique particular forum  and several others?
Well that would be amazingly disingenuous
After all there are no published plans ,no part numbers , yes I agree you have to buy the kit and thankfully we have members that have bought the kit and are willing to share the results (Stefan friend)
so I suppose this is all hearsay or assumption until such a person steps forward with actual feedback from the actual product .
so yes I agree under the terms you describe absolutely 100% you cannot prove anything.


If you refer to your work ? is that what you were referring to?


Since you recently shared it ....the forum  has been an absolute mess
members can't post
people are afraid to write


Please be brutally honest with exactly what you mean?


Chet

[rickfriedrich]

What is wrong with having battery chargers. Strange to say.

Not sure what is gathering dust. There are many people who have used the industrial chargers 24/7 for 12 years now restoring thousands of batteries.

I'm not looking for recognition. I have shared some very important information here that allows everyone here to have all their energy needs taken care of. You just have to read what has been shared in much detail. If you don't want to read then that's your fault. There are many people reading this thread who do not write here, but share with me privately, and those are who I am sharing this for.

Yes it is a challenge to break up the foundations of prejudice and closemindedness. But I don't believe people fail to understand this. I have learned that people often say differently than what they really believe. You can see how when people avoid subjects that they do understand the truth. It isn't really about knowledge in many cases, but about suppressing the truth for various reasons. I have made many cases here but I get zero response from the attackers. I responded to everything, and so thoroughly that it irritates them. There is no more case to make as there is zero acknowledgement of anything, just ignoring critical points and twisting other points.

It is easy for you to say such words but they are merely empty words. If you have observed something then you need to quote it like everyone else does here. Your words are true in your case here: "So far all of your info is broken, incomplete, with some real but perhaps honest mistakes ." Do you see your contradiction here? And this sort of thing happens again and again. Just repeating empty words with zero content. No positive contribution about OU information. Just subtle attacks through assumptions.

No, you're wrong. I have won in many positive ways. You can't assume people's words are always a real reflection of what is going on inside. There are many people reading that are very happy with what I have shared and are now able to do a lot more. And even when the attackers say one thing it doesn't mean that my words will never benefit them in the future. I trust that at least some of them will benefit down the road. Perhaps a good number are really just trolls trying to get as much information as they can while pretending to not believe. This is a way to draw information out of people. Who can really know what people's motives are specifically here?

The debate was not what people were expecting. They were expecting me to try and prove something with a circuit. But at first I took people back to the foundation of their assumptions. They were really mistaken about thinking they could prove OU claims over the internet. Or disprove such claims in the same way. That is a huge mistake, and that really is settled even if people don't want to admit it.

The other major point was that OU or free energy is not self-running. That was hard for people to let go of. Some still cling to it. Again, I am not slighting people for wanting that and not being interested in anything less than that. That is fine. But it is wrong to call OU ONLY that. Self-running is OU but All OU is not self-running.

Further I challenged the pride of the experts who were not willing to back up their methodology and assumptions. I brought out the founders of electrical engineering, as well as the advanced levels today. I gave a basis for my statements, and I got zero response. This showed that the experts really were just arguing from a very basic (limited context) level of electrical understanding and experience while trying to give another impression. They were not willing to present their foundations because they just wanted to pick at and bully someone else. I am a foundationalist. I'm not going to waste my time bickering about the end result if there is no foundation.

So all of these are foundational points that I have stressed. You would think that people would want to build from the foundations up. But people just want to argue in a circle: I'm right because I'm right. But without a real foundation then what do your words even mean? Why is one model better than another? Also, I showed the self-contradictions of these models. People proved to themselves how their own words contradicted their other words. So there are many important things that I have proven here that are not OU claims. But just because you can't prove an OU claim here, doesn't mean we can't learn about claims and share useful OU information so that they can prove it to themselves. So I am satisfied with that.

It is astounding that you, of all people would ever need any type of  battery charger.
I would suppose that they are all gathering dust with dried out caps by now .

C'mon Rick the guys here are asking for your best shot at proof even though you and I know that it will be picked apart.

A smart guy like yourself should be able to make a case with the details that conventionaly taught people understand.

That may well give problems for the less educated and vise versa.

So far all of your info is broken, incomplete, with some real but perhaps honest mistakes .

All we have here is a long debate where you win many irrelevant battles but fail in the war department.