The secret to Overunity

[citfta]

You lower the charge time by increasing the voltage (even way beyond the rating of the cap) and reducing the R. this means you have to pick low ESR cap. I won't go into the formulas and calculations to prove it but you can test and see.

You will probably ask how come I raise voltage way beyond the rating of my cap ? won't that bend the plates of the cap and it fries and becomes a deadshort ?! well No as long as you are discharging it as soon as it fills up. That's what the spark gap does.

Applying too high of a voltage to a cap will NOT bend the plates.  What is does is punch a hole in the dielectric and short out the cap.  If the current is high enough it can cause the dielectric to burst into flames and make the cap explode with a very loud bang.  And the voltage applied can damage the cap before it fills up.   As has already been pointed out to you at least a couple of times you really need to do some basic research before you start expounding theories about OU.  Then you would realize that you don't really understand the formulas.

[AlienGrey]

Applying too high of a voltage to a cap will NOT bend the plates.  What is does is punch a hole in the dielectric and short out the cap.  If the current is high enough it can cause the dielectric to burst into flames and make the cap explode with a very loud bang.  And the voltage applied can damage the cap before it fills up.   As has already been pointed out to you at least a couple of times you really need to do some basic research before you start expounding theories about OU.  Then you would realize that you don't really understand the formulas.

Ok your a skeptic  who only belies what an expert official tells you right! (that's what you have just told me above well what if i charge up a 100uf  450v valve amp smoothing cap and throw it to you to catch, (shock horror) ever get some one do just that when you were a kid (apprentice) , ? no well what if i dump the energy across a Tesla coil primary ? what would it do if i put your phone in the middle of the coil ? perhaps you could explain whats just happened to the phone ?               

[sm0ky2]

Applying too high of a voltage to a cap will NOT bend the plates.  What is does is punch a hole in the dielectric and short out the cap.  If the current is high enough it can cause the dielectric to burst into flames and make the cap explode with a very loud bang.  And the voltage applied can damage the cap before it fills up.   As has already been pointed out to you at least a couple of times you really need to do some basic research before you start expounding theories about OU.  Then you would realize that you don't really understand the formulas.

A spark gap is a voltage controller
It doesn't matter what your source voltage is


Once the cap reaches the break-down voltage of the gap
It will dump


I can connect a 1Mv machine to a 100v cap
With a small spark gap, the cap will never over voltage


There is no measurable current from a 1Mv static machine
It discharges instantaneously through any insulator or conductor
(well, almost any)
But it will fill a large condenser almost fast as the discharge


It happens way too fast to measure the current,
And if you did manage to get a numerical value
The time-reference divides it back to 0
Because it all took place in a tiny fraction of a second.


I've tried making stupid 5-gallon buckets, and 50-gallon
plastic water drums
You're more likely to kill yourself with stuff like that
Than you are to actually hold over 1Mv in its place.
It's better just to use it straight off the machine like
Tesla did, to make 10-15 foot lightning
Or excite atoms, like a gas lamp tube, or an ionic reaction.


If you want to convert the energy into our modern electricity
(you are throwing half of it away, but for the humor)
You should use a cap with a much smaller voltage than
your hv generator puts out.
Control it with the frequency

[Void]

Ok your a skeptic  who only belies what an expert official tells you right!     

From what I have seen Citfta is not at all that kind of 'skeptic' (a debunker). He does his own
OU experimenting from what I understand. I think his view is probably similar to mine. Open minded
about OU research, but understands well that you have to put things to proper testing before you can
attempt to draw any meaningful conclusions.

There is a huge difference between debunkers who dismiss everything related to OU out of hand,
and healthy skepticism where one neither dismisses nor believes unless something can be proven
by proper bench testing. IMO, the OU research area needs much more healthy skepticism and a lot less people
just making claims without being able to demonstrate anything to support what they are saying.
There is just way too much silliness going around in these forums and on Youtube, etc.
No wonder many people assume that only gullible or deluded people or frauds are involved in the search for COP > 1. 

All the best...

[citfta]

AG,

My post was based on over 50 years of experience with caps.  I retired from a career of working in electronics.  There are no "plates" in a normal capacitor.  There are layers of foil wrapped around each other with the dielectric material in between.  When I was a kid my dad had a TV repair shop.  He would let us have the bad condensers as they were called then.  They were coated in wax.  We peeled that wax off and unrolled the foil across the yard.  So I know first hand what they are.  And the rest of your post doesn't appear to have anything to do with what I posted.

Smokey2,

You can't have it both ways.  You're claiming the spark gap will limit the voltage and I agree.  But Tajarek is claiming he can go over voltage to charge the cap faster.  You can't go over voltage if the spark gap is limiting the voltage.  So I still maintain that you will blow some caps and possibly be injured if you insist on trying to charge them with over voltage.  I have seen what they do when they explode.

And the comments about me from Void are entirely correct.  I am actively searching for OU because I have seen enough to convince me it may very well be possible.  But I also try to correct mistaken ideas when I see them.  I don't want people wasting their time on false ideas.  Now if a person is doing research and experimenting to try and learn that is a great thing to do.  But when a person claims to have solved OU and they haven't even built anything yet to demonstrate their claims then I am very skeptical.

Thank you Void for your kind comments.

Respectfully,
Carroll