12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Bulbz]

He goes by the name Rhead100 on this forum, and he has built the largest 2-stage mechanical oscillator as far as I know of. At this time he has been working on the finishing of a large grandfather clock mechanism which will send back energy and most important, keep the timing right.

Here's a link to his youtube videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/RHEAD100

Julian

Cheers Bud 

[Mayo]

Measure actual input force (torque) in foot pounds from pendulum pivot to point of hand position X time applied.  Measure the raising of the 80 pound weight X distance X time. From this a mathematician can derive horsepower in and horse power out!

Now whereas the weight has been allowed to fall back deduct what you just allegedly gained.

The fact that a boy can lift 80 pounds by applying 20 pounds
without measuring the other factors is not an objective conclusion, therefore I agree, it is not science.

Ralph Lortie

The thing is NOT to measure total force from pendulum pivot to point of hand position, but to measure ONLY energy added by the hand.

Because energy is FORCE x DISTANCE (in the same direction as acting force), it is not necessary to measure the time, unless you are interesting in power. This is true because the frequency of the lever is exactly two times the frequency of the pendulum and for one hand input there are two raisings of the weight and both were counted.

I DO agree that "the fact that a boy can lift 80 pounds by applying 20 pounds without measuring the other factors is not an objective conclusion",
and most important other factors are the DISTANCES the hand and the weight moved without any other influences, and they were counted.

I do not understand the point of this statement:
"Now whereas the weight has been allowed to fall back deduct what you just allegedly gained."

What is the problem in allowing the weight to fall back ?

Jovan

[Cloxxki]

What is the problem in allowing the weight to fall back ?

Jovan

Hi Jovan,
The way I humble see it, you have not cashed in a gain, until you've cashed it. Much like my trade bank's balance as I see it now (after trade closed). It looks OK, but I failed to cash in, so it's just waiting for the next cycle (day) to hope for greatness.

If you place a weight on a high shelf, rather than recycling it vertically on a complicated wheel of sorts, what work has really been done?
Show me X amount of work, and I'll show you -X amount of work.
If consecutive heavier-than-pendulum weights would each be picked up at height zero and deposited at height 1, work is being done. And at a cheap rate, too! The pendulum after all, will remain most of its swing, and mere tapping will get it into full capacity? Capacitance, that is what we're seeing... Max being the sum of pendulum and 2nd stage weights at full harmonious oscillation.

Hope this was sufficiently to the point for you.

J

[Nabo00o]

But are we forgetting that work is done each and every time the weight (in Ray's example) strikes the ground, generating heat, vibrations (both mechanical and acoustic)  ?
Yes, it is not useful work (yet), but it is real work, and it is in addition to any negative work which is added back to the pendulum cycle. Right Cloxxki?

[Nabo00o]

Sorry everyone for double post, just wanted to make on point clear.
I know for a fact that if Ray had placed a powerful enough spring under the weight, allowing it to be "charged" and "discharged" every time, it will reduce the small losses almost completely.
So that would have been a completely different scenario than what is happening here.

Julian