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12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

Started by hartiberlin, November 30, 2006, 06:11:41 PM

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mikipopovic

First, I 'm not particularly active in terms of electro-mechanical innovations, I am in computer business, but I do have some knowledge from that area from the university and from high school.

Because of many business commitments I didn't have much time to deal with the idea of possible applications of this invention, calculations, etc., but one idea was very interesting.

The application of two-stage oscillator for generating electricity came to my attention.
I am personally interested in a smaller generator that would meet the needs of smaller consumers.

The idea that I have is shown in a drawing with the electrical diagram below

The idea itself is very simple, but it is possible that it is completely unsustainable, because I made no calculations of invested power, received power, power losses and so on.

My goal was to have as less possible moving mechanical elements, to reduce friction loses.

The generator rotor is connected to the shaft of the oscillator lever. Strong Neodymium permanent magnets are mounted on the generator rotor. They are successfully used for example for wind generators. Of course, permanent magnets can be replaced by strong electromagnets, for generators of greater power .
The output of the stator is AC voltage that can be corrected by Graetz circuit and transported to the consumer.
High power capacitor of large capacity is charged by a generator.
The generator is started by an external force, starting the pendulum, until stable oscillations are achieved.
Upon starting the generator capacitor (C) is filled with electric charge.
When the pendulum comes to the position near the coil (L) , the pendulum cuts the beam of photocell, photocell triggers the relay which terminates connection of capacitor C with the generator and connects the output of capacitor (C)  to solenoid (L), solenoid fires electromagnetic field that pushes pendulum which also has magnet mounted on itself.
This situation is shown in the picture.
Polarities of magnet on the pendulum and electromagnet have the same poles facing each other, so they would push each other away, thus maintaining oscillations of two-stage oscillator.

A mechanism should also be constructed that would trigger the relay, which is triggered by photocell, on every third, fourth swing of the pendulum, or whatever is best calculated (relay shouldn't be triggered on every pendulum swing, because there is enough power of inertia in the pendulum).

The idea is that the output of the generator is large enough, so that the part of the power that goes into maintaining a sufficient oscillation is less than the total output power, so that the generator could successfully power the consumers (or at least slowly charge the battery for later use) .

Of course this is just an initial sketch of the idea, probably there will be a need to improve certain elements of the system.

Feel free to contact me, I'm interested in your opinions.


Best regards ,

Miki



mikipopovic

Great video, thanks!
It describes everything simply with basic math!

zoelra

Centrifugal force of the swinging pendulum bob is responsible for the lifting of the counter weight, not leverage, as suggested by the video's author.  The author needs to spend more time studying and understanding the operation and principles of the Milkovic Two Stage Oscillator before making such incorrect assumptions and statements.  YouTube is a great place to share information, but everyone should keep in mind that it is also a place of much erroneous and inaccurate information.  I suggest all forum members interested in such devices build one for testing.  There is much that can be learned and applied from such a simple device.

Assume the counter weight and pivot point of the pendulum are the same distance from the fulcrum.  Also assume the counter weight is twice the weight of the pendulum bob.  A pendulum bob dropped from the horizontal will have CF (centrifugal force) of twice it's own weight at the bottom of its swing.  Not enough to lift the counter weight in this case.  However, if the fulcrum to pivot point is shortened just a bit, or the weight of the bob is slightly increased, the counter weight will be briefly lifted as the bob passes the 6 o'clock position.  Now to Bessler's point that 1lb can lift 4lb's.  A pendulum bob dropped from the 12 o'clock position will have CF of four times its own weight at the bottom of the swing.  If the fulcrum to pivot point is of the right length (remember my statement above), a 1lb pendulum bob can lift a 4lb counter weight.  Coincidence?  Who knows.

Can anyone think of a way to incorporate a two stage oscillator within an overbalanced wheel.  The 2SO would be responsible for the lifting of the wheels weights to the overbalanced position.  The rotating wheel would provide some force feedback to the pendulum to maintain it's swing.  Something to think about.

You need hands on time working with a Milkovic 2SO before you can fully understand what is right (and wrong) with the design, and what you can do with it.