12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[iacob alex]

     Hi. 888 !
Let's make the simplest test.
We can take out an inverted pendulum , from :
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pendulum#/image/File:Cart-pendulum.svg
...and replace the hanging pendulum ( red mass ) with this one ( as a starting position ) , at :
http://u2.lege.net/John_Keely/keelytech.com/news/oscillations/secondary.gif
I suppose that , we can  play in this manner , a different kind of motion...maybe erratic swinging ( see swinging sticks model...) , maybe a surprising one.
      Al_ex

[Paul-R]

The video makes it very convincing that Input Energy is less than Output Energy.

I don't think it is safe to conclude this. It takes very little energy to  make a very loud bang. I think  work  needs to be done to  quantify the output rigorously.

[ltseung888]

     Hi. 888 !
Let's make the simplest test.
We can take out an inverted pendulum , from :
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pendulum#/image/File:Cart-pendulum.svg
...and replace the hanging pendulum ( red mass ) with this one ( as a starting position ) , at :
http://u2.lege.net/John_Keely/keelytech.com/news/oscillations/secondary.gif
I suppose that , we can  play in this manner , a different kind of motion...maybe erratic swinging ( see swinging sticks model...) , maybe a surprising one.
      Al_ex

The mathematical analysis and the experiments will be based on the attached diagram with reference to the video in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

The first simplification will use P as horizontal.  The final will use P as tangential.  The tension in the string will be the sum of the static force and the centripetal force due to circular motion.  Expect overunity only at large angles from both analysis and experiment.

[ltseung888]

One question raised by a Chinese Experimenter:

Must I build a large 2-stage Milkovic Oscillator to detect or confirm overunity?  Can I build a small model in the laboratory?

Answer: When we first pulse the pendulum, the Weight W1 will not rise at all.  The Input Energy and Lead-out Energy are all used to increase the amplitude of the Swing.  After sufficient build-up, the Weight W1 can be lifted (twice).  Output can then be easily measured.  The pulsing energy (Pd) is very small.  Thus a large 2-stage Milkovic Oscillator is needed to provide a large enough (Pd) for experiment.

Even after the Weight W1 is lifted, there is likely to be some tuning to achieve best results.  The adjustment can be via changing the mass of W1 or the Lever Arm L1.  Too small a model will not permit such tuning.

This answer is likely to apply to the Pulse Motor later on.  The wheel should be large or multiple coupled wheels like the 225 HP motor needs to be used.

[ltseung888]

One comment:
The OUTPUT Energy of the Milkovic 2-stage pendulum is NOT the W1 times g times the total height.  The swinging lever is an oscillating system (seesaw).  That oscillating system also converts potential energy into kinetic energy and vice versa. 

What should be the correct OUTPUT Energy?