12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[norman6538]

Ok the Chalkalis stuff is about 4 years old and by now if it works should be everywhere - even Walmart - but is not, therefore it gets a big red flag from me.

Now, what I saw was the same as my tests of the chan wheel. Adding spin on the down swing is more effective than elsewhere but he is not getting the chan wheel "yankdown work" that comes completely free.

And my experience has been the when you take power out of a syncronized system it goes
unsyncronized and likely under unity - UU.

Again, I don't build devices of that size till a small one proves the concept - then I go for  the serious scale up. I did like the smaller one with the drill driver motor.

Norman

[ltseung888]

Ok the Chalkalis stuff is about 4 years old and by now if it works should be everywhere - even Walmart - but is not, therefore it gets a big red flag from me.

Now, what I saw was the same as my tests of the chan wheel. Adding spin on the down swing is more effective than elsewhere but he is not getting the chan wheel "yankdown work" that comes completely free.

And my experience has been the when you take power out of a syncronized system it goes
unsyncronized and likely under unity - UU.

Again, I don't build devices of that size till a small one proves the concept - then I go for  the serious scale up. I did like the smaller one with the drill driver motor.

Norman

The Chalkalis stuff is about 4 years old.  The inventor and supporters all focused on getting energy out from the spinning Unbalanced Wheel itself.  A new direction may be to treat that Unbalanced Wheel as a "tool" to lead-out gravitational energy only.  Chalkalis himself is not a Physicist and the average academic physicist just walks away without doing serious experiments.  So far, I have not seen vigorous scientific measurements on Input Power, Output Power, Torque etc from that camp yet.  In particular, I would like to see the waveforms from oscilloscopes to confirm harmonic motion and the amplitude increase at resonance.

The William Skinner device was shown in 1939.  Is it a real Gravity Machine?  It is made up of rotating unbalanced wheels...

It is a similar case with the Milkovic 2SO.  The inventor and supporters all focused on pushing the pendulum.  The amount of energy that can be lead-out is small. Once they change their mindset and go for the Unbalanced Wheel, their results will be much better.  The Milkovic 2SO must have been around for more than 4 years?

I shall turn to the more theoretical points.

1.  If there is a constant field, an object will go along the lines of that field.  An example is gravity.  A mass will fall.
2.  If the constant field is wind, an object will be blown in the direction of the wind.  But is it possible to sail into the Wind?  My late  father owned a Chinese fishing yacht with two sails. The crew was able to sail into the wind in a zigzag path.  They did that to impress us. (But the more practical way was to use the outboard motor...)
3.  If the field were fluctuating, we may be able to "sail along" or "sail into" the field.  Our device may use the "force" in one direction to propel and "ignore or diminish" the effect of the "force" in the opposite direction.
4. If the field is in one direction, can we use a "jumping" action to "use or extract or bring-in" some of its energy? Is the Milkovic 2SO an example?

5,  If the field itself is fluctuating, can the "jumping" action "use or extract or bring-in" more of its energy?
6.  If we can produce the field ourselves, what are the implications?
7. If the "materials to produce the field" already possess energy (magnets or dipoles), can the resulting output energy "use" such existing energy and be more than the observed input energy???

Morality Point:

A permanent magnet can be used to do work.  The amount of work performed can be many times that used to create it...

The Chan Wheel stuff is helping to improve the Milkovic 2SO.  My gut feel is that it will also improve the Chalkalis stuff.

If Chalkalis bluntly told the World 4 years ago that a Balanced Wheel cannot bring-in gravitational energy but an Unbalanced Wheel can, what would have happened?  (We are doing that now.)

[norman6538]

Lawrence said
Morality Point:

A permanent magnet can be used to do work.  The amount of work performed can be many times that used to create it..."

A case where this is done is in your auto radiator fan. They all have permanent magnets
and coils and if you think about that you realize that half of the power can come from
those permanent magnets. The other half comes from the battery current which should
mean a 50% power savings.

Yes permanent magnets can do useful work.
And I agree but I know how hard this crowd is on measurements.
Even measurements are not enough. The final test is always can it be looped back to itself?

All we need is  a small force to release a larger force of a permanent magnet.
I've seen various examples of this but no one has shown good measurements
and none looped back to itself. For example Echlin generator and also the Flynn parallel path stuff.


Norman

[ltseung888]

Hi Norman,

I enjoy the technical discussion.  I am sure that we are on the right path.  If I were to advice the Peru Group, I would ask:

1. If one wheel works, how about two wheels on the same axle?
2. If two wheels is better, how about multiple wheels (or a cylinder as in the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier)?

Why are they not using the Unbalanced Cylinder after 4 years?  It is obviously a superior setup???
Why is Milkovic and supporters not using the Unbalanced Wheel...

Am I disclosing Chinese State Secrets?  What will they do?

Lawrence

[noonespecial]

You should read Kanarev's treatise on Impulse Power which relates here and is very enlightening. He includes all of the math to show how you can easily achieve over-efficiency utilizing a pair of opposing unbalanced weights.

Here's a portion: