12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[sm0ky2]

experimental data taken by outside parties, when invited to examine the TR assembly, indicated that TR was misreporting their data.

a synapsis of the device stated a delay in rotational velocity of the second (larger blue) wheel, the energy required to get this up to speed was not accounted for. The flywheel effect built up stored rotational energy from the input, before the generator was up to speed and producing power.

True input was much greater than the output of this device.

[noonespecial]

experimental data taken by outside parties, when invited to examine the TR assembly, indicated that TR was misreporting their data.

TR didn't report the data, UL and TUV Rhineland did.

a synapsis of the device stated a delay in rotational velocity of the second (larger blue) wheel, the energy required to get this up to speed was not accounted for. The flywheel effect built up stored rotational energy from the input, before the generator was up to speed and producing power.

True input was much greater than the output of this device.

Who were these alleged 'outside parties'? How are they MORE credible than UL and TUV Rhineland? Why would UL and TUV ruin their sterling reputation by publishing these test result if they are false?

[MarkE]

One has to be careful measuring any system that has a lot of vibration and particularly resonance in it.  The measuring intstruments themselves and how they are mounted are subject to resonances and can easily misreport.  In an energy generator application total energy in and total energy out over some significant time interval is what we would be interested in.  One way to obtain both reliably is to insert low-loss low pass filters at both the input and the output.  The black box can shake, rattle, and roll all it wants, but very little of that vibration will transfer to the instruments.  The instruments will see a steady torque load / source, and a steady rotational speed from which power in and power out can be reliably determined. 

TWR had two problems:  1) Their claims had no basis in established science.  2) The TUV tests did not include evaluation of the test system to determine its susceptibility to errors under the test conditions applied.  The fact that five years later they are moribund speaks to their inability to convince investors that they had what they claimed.

[noonespecial]

So I guess we are being asked to believe that UL and TUV had absolutely no clue on how to properly test this device but tested it anyway and published the findings anyway.....

Who are these alleged outside parties that tested this and found it lacking? Just curious....

[Pirate88179]

One has to be careful measuring any system that has a lot of vibration and particularly resonance in it.  The measuring intstruments themselves and how they are mounted are subject to resonances and can easily misreport.  In an energy generator application total energy in and total energy out over some significant time interval is what we would be interested in.  One way to obtain both reliably is to insert low-loss low pass filters at both the input and the output.  The black box can shake, rattle, and roll all it wants, but very little of that vibration will transfer to the instruments.  The instruments will see a steady torque load / source, and a steady rotational speed from which power in and power out can be reliably determined. 

TWR had two problems:  1) Their claims had no basis in established science.  2) The TUV tests did not include evaluation of the test system to determine its susceptibility to errors under the test conditions applied.  The fact that five years later they are moribund speaks to their inability to convince investors that they had what they claimed.

The other way, and according to Lawrence this should be really easy, is to have it run itself...which of course, it can not do.  "Creating" all of that "extra" energy on the output vs. the input should make this a simple task...but...for some reason, they have not done that.

I have to ask....why?

I think we know why.

Bill