12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[hartiberlin]

Hi Gregory,
please explain,
why you think it is not 12 timesmore out than in ?

Have a look at this:

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Measurement_with_oscilloscope.pdf

Here is a Power comparison,
unfortunately not in english language from a professor,
but you can see, that the output in Watts is much higher than the input !

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Analiza_dinamo_lampe.pdf

[hartiberlin]

I read Mr. Mikovic's web site about a year ago and found this machine very interesting. As well it relates directly to gravity wheels,I made a post here in the forum describing how a mass can dissapear from a rotational system(a circle).
Basically if the pendulum is at the far left upper position, the center of rotation see's no mass acting downward, it produces a force to the left only,so the center of rotation does not move. When the pendulum is at the bottom of the swing it has centrifugal force plus gravity acting downward on the mass, moving the center of rotation downward. Next when in the upper right position, as the pendulum stops it again becomes massless relative to the point of rotation.
So how does this machine differ from known systems?
One asymetrical system not conservative is the centrifugal force component which acts only in line with gravity. Another asymetrical system is gravity acting on the mass "only" in the lower position, as I said when the mass is in the upper positions decelerating it losses all mass relative to the center of rotation.
This machine has zero resemblance to conventional pendulum systems when you alalyze it properly.

I fully agree,
in the 90 deegrees uphill position the mass of the pendulum
has no weight onto the fulcrum and only, if it is
at the downhill positionit is heavy enough to pull
the fullcrum up.

So it seems it is a phase shifting device,
which interacts only in one position with gravity
and thus both motions are independant of each other
or spoken in "electrical" terms, the output
has no real back drag onto the input,
cause the input is already almost 90 degrees out of phase...


I wonder, if it is possible to build an electrical "equivalent compensation"
circuit, that acts like the mechanical device ?

Normally every mechanical oscillator system could also
be simulated via electric analog oscillators coils and caps...

But as the gravity field is here the powering field,
we would have to see, how a constant gravity field
could have any impact onto a 2 tank  LC circuit.

Maybe with LC oscillators we can use a permanent magnet field
instead and draw power from it in a simular way...

Pondering away, Stefan.

[allcanadian]

It's interesting as well that as the pedulum is moving up and away from the hammer side, the heavy end while falling has a fling effect on the pendulum accelerating it upward.
I saw a site called the soup can pendulum, the weight has fluid in it, and the so called scientists said they cannot accurately predict its movement or period. So our best and brightest can't even figure out a pendulum with a soup can on the end- wonderful!
I think we have a lot to learn.

[hartiberlin]

Here is a try to translate the text into english...


Original:

ANALIZA DINAMO LAMPE

(sa kojom se odr?ava oscilacija klatna kod dvostepenog oscilatora i koja predstavlja u isto
vreme i izlazni rad kod istog dvostepenog oscilatora)

Prvi rezultati ka?u sledece:

Za pun stisak

1. kada sam pritiskao 25 punih stisaka za 10 sekundi (2,5 u sekundi) dobio sam
efektivnu vrednost struje 0,103 ?

I - efektivno = 0,103 A
U - efektivno = 3,6 V
P (usrednjeno) = 0,384 W

2. Za jedan pun stisak u sekundi sam dobio (jedan pun stisak u sekundi)

I - efektivno = 0,085 A
U - efektivno = 2,54 V
P = 0,225 W


Za pola stiska

1. 25 polu stiskova za 10 sekundi (2,5 u sekundi)

I - efektivno = 0,059 A
U - efektivno = 1,22 V
P = 0,065 W

2. jedan polu stisak u sekundi

I - efektivno = 0,043 A
U - efektivno = 0,65 V
P = 0,030 W

3. jedan polu stisak za dve sekunde

I - efektivno = 0,021 A
U - efektivno = 0,55 V
P = 0,009 W

Meren je napon na ulazu i struja na ulazu. Otpor ?-metra je 0,1 om, a V-metra 10 mega
oma, ?-metar nije uticao jer je otpor hladne sijalice oko 4 oma. Instrument ima ugraden
vatmetar, tako da koristi mereni napon i merenu struju za merenje snage. Kako se
ocitavanje vr?i jednom u dve sekunde razlikuje se proizvod U * I od prikazane snage.

Signal je malo deformisana sinusoida cija se amplituda menja sa brzinom vrtenja diska, a
i ucestanost se menja iz istog razloga. U praznom hodu (bez sijalice napon vrha do vrha
je oko 15 V, a ucestanost oko 200 Hz, a kad se stavi sijalica napon padne na oko 10 V od
vrha do vrha, a ucestanost padne blizu 100 Hz.


Prof. dr Slobodan Milovancev

Univerzitet u Novom Sadu, Fakultet tehnickih nauka
Institut za energetiku, elektroniku i telekomunikacije 
Katedra za elektricna merenja
                                                                                               
Novi Sad, 02.12.2005

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Online translation via InterTran:


ASSAY DINAMO LAMPE
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Hmm, maybe someone who speaks Serbian language can translate this some better ?
Many thanks.

[supersam]

hey everyone,

what if we simply used the dual ociating principle to move the shield in and out of a torbay motor?  seems like it couldn't hurt.

lol
sam