12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[rozzaa72]

Perhaps mr milkovic's design would become perpetual motion, if a balloon type water pump, like what the doctor uses to check your blood pressure, was put under the hammer and compressed, with each swing. The hose could be used to squirt water on the pendulum.

[oouthere]

I have not read all of this post but hopefully enough to not be totally ignorant.

Just looking at the short usefull movement, I believe this could be coupled with a wankle magnet motor for regauging and then using the stored kinetic energy of the wankel (since no regauging power is used from the wankel) to oscillate the pendulium.

The wankle motor can be built using an iron spiraled rail instead of magnets and only an attractive force will be used on the rotor (neo magnet).  The last portion of the rail is severed and connected to the second portion of the oscillator.  When the magnet of the rotor is on the last (severed portion) of the rail the dual oscillator moves the rail to regauge the rotor.  The severed portion would need to be calibrated as to allow mometum to carry (energy stored in a flywheel) past the permanent part of the rail.

It looks like I've found my next project after the final tests of the RV. 

Rich

[supersam]

@hans,

do you really believe that gearing at the fulcrum is the right way to go?  i  have to agree with you if this device will ever be looped!  if there is twelve times more power out than in then it is only a mattter of, where do you extract the power from to keep the device running and how much power do you have left to generate energy?

lool
sam

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Supersam and all,

When I first came across the Milkovic device I created this animation just for fun. The trouble though with the Milkovic idea is that you do indeed have an increase in power, but no increase in available energy. The power developed is only of a very short duration, so when you multiply each side power times time you will find that the total ENERGY is in equilibrium minus friction losses as one would expect. That is why no-one, including Milkovic has been able to achieve a self runner. But for the hell of it look at this and PLEASE don't take it too seriously.

If you want some further information on the device go to my website and have a look, there are two papers there on the device that I wrote some time ago.  http://www.keelytech.com/news.html and follow the links.

In the meantime here is the "Beast" :-)

Hans von Lieven

[Eddy Currentz]

G'day Supersam and all,

When I first came across the Milkovic device I created this animation just for fun. The trouble though with the Milkovic idea is that you do indeed have an increase in power, but no increase in available energy. The power developed is only of a very short duration, so when you multiply each side power times time you will find that the total ENERGY is in equilibrium minus friction losses as one would expect. That is why no-one, including Milkovic has been able to achieve a self runner. But for the hell of it look at this and PLEASE don't take it too seriously.

If you want some further information on the device go to my website and have a look, there are two papers there on the device that I wrote some time ago.  http://www.keelytech.com/news.html and follow the links.

In the meantime here is the "Beast" :-)

Hans von Lieven

Hi Hans,
As a builder of a few Milkovic oscillators I have to take issue with your contention of equilibrium. While it appears that what you put in is what you get back, this has not been my experience.
If you have a 10 lb pendulum on one side, and a 10 lb weight on the secondary for balance, without any input energy you have a system in equilibrium. If you pick the pendulum up to a point of about 45 degrees and let it go, what happens? It swings down to the bottom of it's arc and applies force, through the arm, to the 10 lb weight. Say the 10 lb weight travels 1 inch vertically. The pendulum continues in it's arc and reaches the peak of it's swing on the other side. The 10 lb weight has no force on it so it drops down to rest. On the return swing the same thing happens with the 10 lb weight.
The energy put into the system is what it took to lift the pendulum in the first place. This energy was used to raise a 10 lb weight 1 inch, twice.
Now we need to put more energy into the system to raise the weight 2 more times. This is the amount of energy required to return the pendulum to it's starting height. A gentle push is usually sufficient to accomplish this, and another gentle push to do it again and on and on.
Now, take the pendulum off it's arm and let the 10 lb weight rest on the other end. By pushing down on the lever where the pendulum was attached, raise up the 10 lb weight, 1 inch, two times.
You will immediately realize how much work that pendulum is doing every time you give it a gentle push. Even better, do it with a 500 lb weight. You will not be able to budge that weight without the pendulum attached. Swinging the pendulum once will pick up that 500 lb weight twice. If you had a scale under the weight, it would go from 0 to 500 lbs two times. That's real work.
Where does this work come from? It's not gravity. It's centrifugal force. The force that "doesn't really exist", only it does.
A mass in circular motion doesn't always listen to Mr. Newton.