12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[allcanadian]

@hansvonlieven

I have made a computer simulation of my proposed demonstration using WorkingModel2005. Only gravity has been programmed into the model, no drag or friction has been allowed for to show what happens in the system without outside influence in an ideal scenario. If there was any excess energy it would show up here since there are no other influencing factors.

LOL, hans you don't honestly believe a 2bit simulation can accurately describe reality do you  , the first real lesson I learned in the field is that all the sims and calculations in the world cannot prepare you for reality, it has a way of making even the most educated persons look silly sometimes.
I have built the balance beam-dual pendulum on precision bearings, fully adjustable, using weights from 5 to 15 lbs, and I would agree that there is a large oscillation(beat) or transfer of energy between the pendulums . But there is more to see than your simulation is going to show you, one is the fact that the balance beam moves with this beat through a given range of motion proportional to the pendulums period of oscillation, another is that a dampening effect in the beat has no relevance to the period of oscillation in the pendulums nor to the transfer of energy. Another is that should the period of oscillation be very large the balance beam will make 360 Deg rotations and in the right context the upper pendulum will fall through a vertical line drawn through the center of rotation and accelerate the balance beam, I learned all this in 15 minutes ---- Milkovic has been doing this for Years---- you do the math on that one.

[hansvonlieven]

@ allcanadian,

The main reason for the simulation was to show that the Milkovic demonstration where he moves the balance arm and states that this does not introduce oscillations in the pendulum is wrong.

Having built various versions of the Milkovic device I am aware that a simulation of this kind does not completely show everything there is to know, but for the purpose stated the simulation is valid and shows the interactions of forces accurately.

Milkovic states that the movement of the balance arm does not influence the behaviour of the pendulum. This is also wrong as it clearly does.

Try the following experiment. Use the Milkovic arrangement with the counterweight on the other arm as designed and doing some work as in hammering an anvil. Start the pendulum with a measured push, let it run its course until all energy is expended and the pendulum comes to a standstill. Count the number of oscillations.

Next clamp the balance arm and from the same starting position and with the same amount of push repeat the experiment. Count the number of oscillations.

Perhaps then you will see what I am driving at.

Hans von Lieven

[allcanadian]

@ hansvonlieven

Try the following experiment. Use the Milkovic arrangement with the counterweight on the other arm as designed and doing some work as in hammering an anvil. Start the pendulum with a measured push, let it run its course until all energy is expended and the pendulum comes to a standstill. Count the number of oscillations.

I tried this experiment as well,  I could not make anything work as claimed but have yet to admit it cannot be done.

[hansvonlieven]

@ hansvonlieven

I tried this experiment as well,  I could not make anything work as claimed but have yet to admit it cannot be done.

@ allcanadian,

I never said it cannot be done.

All I am saying is that the device as designed by Milkovic does not produce OU. There may be a way of doing this, but it would require major modifications, the nature of which I am presently uncertain of.

Hans von Lieven

[abassign]

@hansvonlieven

If you move toward the fulcrum of the arm of lever the weight of right, the system it behaves in different way. The weight of left salt and it regularly goes down in how much the program of simulation for smaller angles has smaller errors. I have worked in the programs of mechanical simulation as the CSMP, and I know that the simulation happens through enough exact differential equations for small variations, but less and less exact for ample variations.
Don't trust too much such programs, kind if, as in the case of Milkovic we enter the world of the chaotic motions. Sooner or later the pendulum of left certainly starts to scillate, but more than I approach to the right weight, and therefore I considerably increase the mass of it, different it will be the behavior of the left weight. Is sure that there are couples of values, both in the masses of the pendulums and for the positions of application point, that can bring to a stable system as the Lagrangian point L1-L2-L3 of the planet orbits.
The interaction among the two masses is of fact an action of smaller order, respect other actions measured by Milkovic. As I already told you, the system of Milkovic seems to operate as a diode, obviously it doesn't create energy.
Then it doesn't seem to produce energy, but simply to exploit it in correct way.
However it needs to make some measures him to a real device, that operates under the same chaotic conditions of the Milkovic device.
However the example from you done it is stupendous for his genial simplicity!

Ciao
Adriano