12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[rlortie]

Edit; DP

[Bessler007]

Merg,
. . .

My above post regarding the secondary lever was simply throwing a concept out to see what kind of response and discussion it would bring.  No much response was there! 

Ralph   

rlortie said:  While doing some mail box cleaning this post popped up, it was written by a contact of mine who is known as "the builder" on the Milkovic forum. It does not necessarily reflect my personal views on the subject.

The Builder said:  If, as Veljiko has done, we fasten the pivot point to a secondary arm and allow this arm to translate this previously hidden energy then the
possibility to extract and utilize this "force" is a possibility.

Good idea the builder had.



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

[Bessler007]

I don't know if anyone has built a model to measure the difference between the energy of the bob swinging and the energy of the arm lifting up and down.  I used wm2d to see the difference in the rotational kinetic energy of the two.

Here's the results.  It does appear to me there's adequate energy in the arm moving up and down to cause the pendulum to swing forever.

I might have to launch the black helicopters.



Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB

[Bessler007]

Some ideas from Hans @ Kelly.net:

http://www.keelytech.com/news/milkovic.html

Hello Hans,

I was wondering if you could tell me where the patent you got this graphic from is.


Bessler007

edit:

Interesting site with double pendulums:

http://www.myphysicslab.com/dbl_pendulum.html

[Nabo00o]

Merg,

Yup! one of my posts on Besslerwheel.com, and the whole thing should be in a quote box. But tha'ts OK as the point is made.

A number of people have and are involved with this Milkovic contraption and as stated elswhere none have been able to make a self-sustainer out of the alleged 12 X power gain?

From what I understand using a stationary suspended pendulum the best one can expect is 3 X the static weight,  but here again the amount of dynamic input is not measured. I would think that the moving pivot would dampen this making it less not more.

My above post regarding the secondary lever was simply throwing a concept out to see what kind of response and discussion it would bring.  No much response was there! 

Ralph   

rlortie, Yes we can see this. The more you allow the pivot of the pendulum to move, then more of the stored energy will be lost.
There is one simple trick to take the efficiency or COP of this thing from maybe 3 or 4 to high up into 100! And that is to restrict the pivot from moving almost at all, by increasing the resistance it meets in the load (a heavy lead weight perhaps or adjusting the leverage on the hinge).

But then you will need a bigger weight on the pendulum side, but still the efficiency will be much higher. So easily put, going big with this machine will increase its performance many times. Hope some of you guys can soon show up with some positive results on this.
As for me I am going to make a modification to this, by making it fully rotational