12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[fritz]

It would be interesting to see just how the "output" was measured.

The guy integrated the energy needed to lift the weight of the secondary oscillator n-times, ignoring the fact that this is part of an oscillator.

[i_ron]

The guy integrated the energy needed to lift the weight of the secondary oscillator n-times, ignoring the fact that this is part of an oscillator.

You at least seem to have read my study but seem to have little or no comprehension of how the pendulum works.

I have here a pendulum 101 for you and anybody who would like to learn more about this fascinating machine.
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The pendulum swings back and forth. In doing so, on the up swing, the bob loses weight; conversely on the down swing it gains weight. Just a rule of thumb but at about a swing angle of 120 degrees the pendulum bob will lose half its weight on the upswing and gain half its weight on the down swing.

That is, a bob of 18Kg will weigh 9 Kg just before it changes direction on its up swing and will weigh 27 Kg at the bottom of its down swing.

This can be measured at the pendulum pivot point. Just as resonance is generally discouraged, through diodes and filter networks, so too has the motion of the pendulum pivot (axle). This movement has been discouraged through the sturdy construction of the pendulum support structure about the axle.

Veljko Milkovic has brought this interesting phenomenon to our attention, that there is a possible power source here, and has indicated the way to usefulness in the secondary arm machine.

It is most apparent in the hammer mode. This is quite clearly indicated in his models. Also R Head’s videos show this to good effect. It was with this in mind that I thought to put a load cell in the path and graph the results.  As can be seen in the video I have provided an input drive to the pendulum in the form of two solenoids. This provides me with a consistent operating point. I have always been able to derive the input by electrical means but also strain gauged it for the experiment.

The pendulum runs fine by itself or with the secondary arm allowed to oscillate. With the arm allowed to oscillate the force at the pivot is transferred through to the counter weight.
In the experiment the 40 pound bob is counter balanced by a 45 pound counter weight as the arm length ratio is just over 1:1. 

It is to me most interesting to see as the bob reaches the bottom of its swing the counter weight is snatched up from its rest position and weighs an extra 20 pounds. Then as the bob reaches its upper position the counter weight is dropped. In doing so it loses 20 pounds. This is clearly shown in the graph and should just be common sense as you can see this happening in both Milkovic’s and R Head’s machines. How could it be otherwise?

Lets make this perfectly clear, as Nixon would say, the counter weight does not oscillate up and down by its self!  The pendulum drives it.

Take an 18 Kg weight fritz and put it on the floor. Stand over it and pick it up and put it down 45mm at a rate of 100 times a minute and tell me you are doing no work. I think you can see the fallacy of your argument?

Yet the pendulum can do this same amount of work for an expenditure of less than 9 watts.

Ron

[i_ron]

It would be interesting to see just how the "output" was measured.

My guess is it was done with a spring scale, in which case most of the energy would have been fed back into the system. Let it hit a solid surface and then see how it performs. If my experiments and simulations are an indicator, very poorly !

Hans von Lieven

Hans you should know better than that, guessing is not scientific... do you want me to have omni have a word with you?  lol

Ron

[rlortie]

To assist Ron, and help others understand the physics of a pendulum I give you the following links; Pendulum 101

Some basic links regarding pendulums;

To experiment with the materialworlds links you will have to download the java type animation program, first link given.


http://www.exploratorium.edu/snacks/coupled_resonant_pendlm/index.html
http://paer.rutgers.edu/PT3/experiment.php?topicid=4&exptid=59

After reviewing the above, it should not take one much to consider the following.

Bessler stated that weights in motion/swinging gained force. He was also clever of giving us a clue relating to things being backwards of the usual expectations. Was he adding weights to make OB or was he reducing the gravitational potential of a weight to make OB.

Ralph Lortie

[utilitarian]

Take an 18 Kg weight fritz and put it on the floor. Stand over it and pick it up and put it down 45mm at a rate of 100 times a minute and tell me you are doing no work. I think you can see the fallacy of your argument?

Yet the pendulum can do this same amount of work for an expenditure of less than 9 watts.

Ron

How did you get this far in science without understanding some basic concepts?

By your logic, a pendulum is many many times overunity.  After all, you only have to lift a weight once, and then it manages, after falling, to rise again, and after falling, to rise again, and again, and again.  With a low friction pendulum, we have what, a 1000:1 overunity ratio?  But yet, a simple pendulum clock is not overunity.  Surely there must be a flaw here somewhere.

Let me clue you in.  The only work done by the free swinging pendulum is resisting air (and perhaps some resistance at the base of the string).  If you add up all the energy spent on friction, it will add up exactly to the energy required to lift the pendulum bob to its starting position from low point of pendulum.