12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Cloxxki]

moving a car or water ( like in the water pump )

I am sure this pendulum can pump water , but ...

with bad efficiency !!

It may take quite some jerking/stomping that first stage pendulum :-)

I was wondering about a pendulum that swings in a circle. Would the load on its support remain the same as when just hanging there, as CF is compesating for the contant <90 degree angle at which it's effecting its force?
Then, what about if we could restrict the angle, while accelerating the rotations, any difference?

[Nabo00o]

moving a car or water ( like in the water pump )

I am sure this pendulum can pump water , but ...

with bad efficiency !!

Nope, just like it wont push air with a bad efficiency either.
In one of his videos, Milkovic showed the FUNDAMENTAL difference between using the oscillation of a spring directly to push volumes of air, and then indirectly with a pendulum via his 2-stage method.

As in a spring with weight, pendulum mass, guitar string or even a wheel (if unbalanced), the energy spent to create an oscillation will be drained in direct proportion to the work done when used to directly drive the load. By that I mean that the pendulum would loose all its energy at the moment it is directly connected to a load, at its mass. The same goes for a vibrating guitar string, the mass hanging in a spring or any other mechanical oscillator.

However, when indirectly connected as is the case here, the weights momentum will not be proportionally drained in relation to the work it is doing, which Milkovic showed quite convincingly by connecting it to a paper which then pushed a lot of air. As in his first test, where it was connected directly, the oscillations of the spring died out almost instantly because of the air resistance. You must admit the there is an important difference between the two modes of operation.

And as I've tried to tell you guys here before, this principle is in itself not a new invention.
All acoustic instruments which exploits a resonant chambers of some kind, uses this principle to magnify its sound volume many times. You can test this with an electrical guitar, by placing its neck against the wall or door, and listen to how many times the sound produced is magnified.
The wooden case of a guitar does this at an incredible efficiency, and makes an  almost unbelievable large sound compeered to without the case.
A trumpet does also increase the volume out versus in, and you can verify this by placing small headphone against the opening of mouth of the instrument, the volume will be greatly increased.


Just as thought, I think we should start a whole new topic on the resonance effect in itself, because there is so many inventions and possible inventions which exploit this effect.
Some of them are: The 2-stage oscillator, all acoustic amplifiers, the rotoverter, the transverter (not the one used in radio-engineering) and all other possible ideas.

But guys come on!  You can clearly see a difference between loading the pendulum directly and indirectly as I just explained. Think.... What would the energy stored in a vibrating string, coming out of the guitar case be compeered to the little click that comes if you place a mechanical 'load' on the string itself?
This is directly comparable to the Milkovic pendulum and why it is so different to a "normal" machine.

Just think a little before you dismiss my whole speech as bunch of unrelated bogus.

[Nabo00o]

It may take quite some jerking/stomping that first stage pendulum :-)

I was wondering about a pendulum that swings in a circle. Would the load on its support remain the same as when just hanging there, as CF is compesating for the contant <90 degree angle at which it's effecting its force?
Then, what about if we could restrict the angle, while accelerating the rotations, any difference?

My idea exactly, I made a sketch of it some months ago, here it is:
http://naboo.ws.googlepages.com/mydualmechanicaloscillator

[Cloxxki]

My idea exactly, I made a sketch of it some months ago, here it is:
http://naboo.ws.googlepages.com/mydualmechanicaloscillator

Actually, I meant something much less significant that what you did there. Most clever! I'd be most interested to see such a machine, and why it does (or doesn't) work. I hope someone with the required skills will soon get to building that machine.

I was merely rambling to myself whether a restricted swinging weight in some way could be used to get more "gravity pull". Likely not, or at least not easily so.

[fritz]

Lets make this perfectly clear, as Nixon would say, the counter weight does not oscillate up and down by its self!  The pendulum drives it.

If started from pendulum....
If I mess around with the counterweight initially - I can make the pendulum swing even from the output. (but this is probably lots of _work_)
There is no mechanical "diode" or ratchet which decouples both oscillations.
If the stuff works on it´s own - you can´t say that one part drives the other.
Its one piece.