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12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

Started by hartiberlin, November 30, 2006, 06:11:41 PM

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i_ron

#935
May 19, 2009, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: fritz on May 19, 2009, 08:34:49 AM
If started from pendulum....
If I mess around with the counterweight initially - I can make the pendulum swing even from the output. (but this is probably lots of _work_)
There is no mechanical "diode" or ratchet which decouples both oscillations.
If the stuff works on it´s own - you can´t say that one part drives the other.
Its one piece.

You are correct to a point but note in my long post that you don't even need the counterweight.  So yes, most definitely, the force at the pendulum pivot drives the arm which drives the counter weight/load. I will go into this more once people are up to speed here.

Ron

hansvonlieven

#936
May 19, 2009, 05:18:37 PM
Quote from: Cherryman on May 19, 2009, 10:14:47 AM
When I see him driving a pump (resistance)  would it then not be very easy to create something like the attached drawing?

I'm sure i'm overlooking something... because it can not be that simple....

You cannot use a crankshaft in the Milkovic device. Because the device is in many ways a double pendulum it has the same chaotic tendencies, unless severely dampened. Even then every second stroke length is different. A crankshaft requires a uniform stroke length in order to function.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Nabo00o

#937
May 19, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 19, 2009, 05:18:37 PM
You cannot use a crankshaft in the Milkovic device. Because the device is in many ways a double pendulum it has the same chaotic tendencies, unless severely dampened. Even then every second stroke length is different. A crankshaft requires a uniform stroke length in order to function.

Hans von Lieven

True, but you could use a double ratchet system like Tommy Lee Reed did, it converted 100% of the linear force directly into torque, practically without loss.
Combined with this setup the pendulum would be very efficient at driving a wheel.
Static energy...
Dynamic energy...
Two forms of the same.

hansvonlieven

#938
May 19, 2009, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: Nabo00o on May 19, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
True, but you could use a double ratchet system like Tommy Lee Reed did, it converted 100% of the linear force directly into torque, practically without loss.
Combined with this setup the pendulum would be very efficient at driving a wheel.


I proposed this in 2007,complete with my tongue in cheek animation of a "Milkovic Perpetuum Mobile".

See http://keelytech.com/news/milkovic.html

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Cherryman

#939
May 19, 2009, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: Nabo00o on May 19, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
True, but you could use a double ratchet system like Tommy Lee Reed did, it converted 100% of the linear force directly into torque, practically without loss.
Combined with this setup the pendulum would be very efficient at driving a wheel.


Or the driving mechanism of this attached :

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