12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[exnihiloest]

Hello, did you read this paper yet? http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Theory_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf
I've read it carefully. I've found no mistakes, rather I think this finally gives a sense to this system, two stage oscillator.

Hi Andrea
Contrarily to the other paper that I had debunked (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Veljko_Milkovic_Kinetic_Energy_and_Overunity.pdf), this one has no math. It is just successions of fuzzy affirmations without any proof. Thus like Euclideas, we can easily dismiss it because "what is asserted without proof can be denied without proof".

Nevertheless here is a general consideration. Marjanovic bases his "theory" on the "idea of using
gravity shield for gravity energy extraction (if the shield was ever invented)." (sic).
It has already been proved by physicists that even if gravity was "shieldable", it would not lead to free energy or perpetual motion. The reason is obvious: the gravity flux is conservative. To understand it, we don't even need the proof from high level physicists by their flux-conservative formalism. Gravity force is a 1/r² force, like the electric force. The math which applies to the gravity force works also for the electric force, we have just to replace F=m*g by F=q*E and the masses by electric charges. The difference is that we can shield the electric field. So a perpetual motion based on Marjanovic's idea but using an electric field could be easily built: for example a vertical wheel charged on its circumference, above a static electric field which would be shielded under one half-side of the wheel. The wheel would be perpetually unbalanced, yet it doesn't work for the same reason the electric field is conservative as the gravity field (you can't switch off field lines, a shield only guides them).
Moreover OU is not demonstrated in Milkovic's pendulum. With an incredible "12 times more output than input" it would be very easy to loop it and make it self-sustainable. No one succeeded.
It follows that Marjanovic's "theory of gravity" is meaningless verbosity based on no fact.

[Omnibus]

It's right. But Omnibus pretends he can. It is like proving that Krishna exists, using the bible.   

Wrong analogy. Typical when someone doesn't have a clue.

[Omnibus]

Quote from: andrea on August 25, 2010, 11:23:23 AM
Hello, did you read this paper yet? http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Theory_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf
I've read it carefully. I've found no mistakes, rather I think this finally gives a sense to this system, two stage oscillator.

Hi Andrea
Contrarily to the other paper that I had debunked (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Veljko_Milkovic_Kinetic_Energy_and_Overunity.pdf), this one has no math. It is just successions of fuzzy affirmations without any proof. Thus like Euclideas, we can easily dismiss it because "what is asserted without proof can be denied without proof".

Nevertheless here is a general consideration. Marjanovic bases his "theory" on the "idea of using
gravity shield for gravity energy extraction (if the shield was ever invented)." (sic).
It has already been proved by physicists that even if gravity was "shieldable", it would not lead to free energy or perpetual motion. The reason is obvious: the gravity flux is conservative. To understand it, we don't even need the proof from high level physicists by their flux-conservative formalism. Gravity force is a 1/r² force, like the electric force. The math which applies to the gravity force works also for the electric force, we have just to replace F=m*g by F=q*E and the masses by electric charges. The difference is that we can shield the electric field. So a perpetual motion based on Marjanovic's idea but using an electric field could be easily built: for example a vertical wheel charged on its circumference, above a static electric field which would be shielded under one half-side of the wheel. The wheel would be perpetually unbalanced, yet it doesn't work for the same reason the electric field is conservative as the gravity field (you can't switch off field lines, a shield only guides them).
Moreover OU is not demonstrated in Milkovic's pendulum. With an incredible "12 times more output than input" it would be very easy to loop it and make it self-sustainable. No one succeeded.
It follows that Marjanovic's "theory of gravity" is meaningless verbosity based on no fact.

You have debunked nothing. Marijanovic may or may not be right but you are not qualified to judge. Yours is a provincial blabber of someone desperately trying to appear learned but is only showing his confusion.

And, by the way, closing the loop of an OU device such as that of Milkovic is the most difficult, not the easiest engineering task because of the losses, as I have pointed out more than once. Closing the loop is only an engineering problem which cannot be used as a criterion for whether or not a device is OU.

[Mayo]

Maybe he has something rational in mind but it isn't getting across. See if he get here in this forum to explain what his idea really is.

The only thing we can do is to send him an e-mail from the contact he left in the paper.
If I get any comment I'll post here.

[Omnibus]

OK. Will be interesting to hear what he really has in mind.