12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Hoxan]

@sm0ky2
good idea, but i think mechanical implementation of your setup is very hard to achieve. The main difficulty is synchronization of pulling wire with swinging pendulum. Wire always need to pull pendulum in the same moment to add energy, in every other case it will reduce it. Everything needs to be calibrated perfectly.

My idea is to use electronic circuit to drive the pendulum. Circuit called magbot pendulum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNn4Ebq7IYU
Beauty of this circuit is its self synchronization so there is no manual tweaking. Magnet passing above coil is inducting some voltage that is triggering transistor to switch polarity in coil to push magnet away. It works for every deflection angle. All you need is enough powerful magnet attached to the pendulum and strong coil.

Friend tested some configurations in working model, i did some in solidworks. We both end up with the same conclusion. Ideal angle of swinging pendulum is 90° (180 full cycle) and the minimum is 60° (120 full cycle). Only at this angles centripetal force is stronger then gravity force.
We will make some pendulum tests in Thursday with small coil (maybe two) and magnet, and i will post few pictures.

in attached picture you can see rendered model with angles (we will make device based on that model when we finish all tests and get all materials)

[sm0ky2]

Yes, i agree everything needs to be perfectly synchronized, but this is a very simple problem.

theres no need to resort to complex measurements of an electromagnetic coil.
and then figure out a way to generate electricity with the hammer to operate it.

i suggested the "escapement" because its already designed to do exactly what we want it to do.
and has been working perfectly, and with great efficiency for hundreds of years.


if you watch the thing.... the hammer raises at bottom-center. then falls as the pendulum is somewhere off to the sides.
thats all you need.
the pendulum doesnt have to go to a full 90-degrees,
most clocks don't, because to swing for one second you can only have a pendulum-shaft of a specific length.
and since clocks are made in all kinds of variations, to keep time, you simply shorten or lengthen the width of the swings. ths is all done in the gearing between the weights and the escapement. but we're not building a clock, we dont really care when the pendulum gets its pull.

all you need to do is make is so when the hammer falls back down after beig lifted.... it pulls the wire and gives a tug on the escapement.
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all it has to do is keep swinging.
if this is really " 12 times OU", that shouldn't be much of a problem...

the pendulum goes back as far as yr 100 A.D.
the escapement was invented in 1656
and the lever is at least as old as the archimedean era
     some 300 B.C.

these are all well known technologies..
combining the three isn't the issue..

so what is?  Why hasn't anyone done this yet?

[exnihiloest]

How do you mean others? Didn't you see it's regarding one concrete person, @exnihiloest, who is hindering the constructive input in the thread with his incompetent gibberish.

Milkovic may or may not have OU but that's not for incompetents such as @exnihiloest (and several other misguided creatures) to decide despite his laborious activism here. We need to hear analysis based on scientific arguments and, even better, see a self-sustaining machine.

"Scientific arguments" say there is not OU in a closed system because momentum and energy are conserved. This theory always verified until now would be to revise only if it became not in agreement with new facts and observations.
As there is not one fact about Milkovic's device showing us OU, Milkovic's device has to be considered as a conventional device without OU, until proof of the contrary.

Not only you don't understand the laws of physics, Omnibug, but also you don't understand the basic scientific methodology. And not only you don't understand the basic rational and scientific methodology, Omnibug, but also you are spending your time in personal attacks.
Ignorant and vindictive people like you, are a waste of time for all goodwill analysts and experimenters.

[AnandAadhar]

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drawing isnt very accurate., but the hammer pulls the wire, the wire pulls the escapement, the escapement kicks the pendulum.
and you have the foundation for a self-winding clock.

I have tested this, see my previous posts and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJsXLiLNJHA , the hammer loaded a flywheel storing its energy and the flywheel was timed to push back to the pendulum. So a kind of escapement was created as you suggest. I found no overunity, even though my design could be improved. So my conclusion is not definite. I am still trying to improve this. It appears that three elements are needed: 1 the two-phase pendulum with the hammer driving a stator, 2 a rotor responding and storing the energy and 3 a transfer from the rotor of cyclic into linear movement in which the feedback pulse is discharged back to the pendulum at the right time and position.

[Omnibus]

"Scientific arguments" say there is not OU in a closed system because momentum and energy are conserved. This theory always verified until now would be to revise only if it became not in agreement with new facts and observations.
As there is not one fact about Milkovic's device showing us OU, Milkovic's device has to be considered as a conventional device without OU, until proof of the contrary.

Not only you don't understand the laws of physics, Omnibug, but also you don't understand the basic scientific methodology. And not only you don't understand the basic rational and scientific methodology, Omnibug, but also you are spending your time in personal attacks.
Ignorant and vindictive people like you, are a waste of time for all goodwill analysts and experimenters.

The scientific truth is exactly the opposite. You, however, are incompetent to understand it, you're not a scientist and therefore you should't make pronouncements on scientific matters. Stop spewing yiur nonsense in the threads of this forum.