12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[fletcher]

look at this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uVzsfRJGlk&feature=player_embedded#

every gravity system run , with input power , until it definitely stop : no more input power

I'd say that the little black vanes are an absolute necessity [not for mass] - so that air pressure can be directed down on them from the roof out of sight - the air current does work on the vanes causing torque on the down going side of the wheel & it revolves slowly.

It could not self sustain its rotation with gravity alone.

[Omnibus]

I'd say that the little black vanes are an absolute necessity [not for mass] - so that air pressure can be directed down on them from the roof out of sight - the air current does work on the vanes causing torque on the down going side of the wheel & it revolves slowly.

It could not self sustain its rotation with gravity alone.

Yeah, that's the usual speculation but it can't explain away the production of excess energy in gravity wheels such as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ02MjqBk7s&feature=youtube_gdata_player , self-sustaining or not.

[Low-Q]

There is no excess energy in that gravity wheel, Omnibus. Excess energy must be that the energy comes from nowhere. The energy applied to this wheel are done by aligning the weights in inbalance in advace by using one-way bearings. So the hand puts energy into the system in advance - therefor it appears to be excess energy when it starts running. So there is no excess energy to be explained at all, so to speak.

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[Omnibus]

Thermodynamics never takes into account the energy put in to build a machine. The energy balance in thermodynamics is always done from the moment there is a machine available on. In this case the work of the machine starts from standstill. At that standstill the machine has certain gravitational potential energy, as a, say, ball has when sitting on a table with respect to the floor. In the case of a ball on a table, once it's let go towards the floor it can never recover the initial potential energy due to losses and never reaches the height of the table on its own. In this case the construction more than recovers the initially put in energy thus prodicing excess energy ("energy out of nothing", as it were).

[Low-Q]

We have a quite different view on what are determined as excess energy. What I see is a hand that use energy in advance to align the weights into an unbalanced alignment - the weights as wee see it is initially pointing towards the right because the one-way bearings doesnt allow the "pendulums" to move clockwise. This potential are applied by the hand so the wheel can start rotating. The inventor could most likely have fixed weights on the wheel, and pushed the wheel so it starts to spin, couldn't he? The wheel stops after a while, and I see this as an equivalent to drop a bouncing ball into a concrete floor, and the ball will continue to bounce untill all kinetic energy are converted into heat. This applies to the wheel as well - except it rotates, and are not bouncing. The wheel stops after it has spend all that applied energy, and converted it into heat via friction. No excess energy there I'm afraid.

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