12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[johnny874]

  @All,
This might simplify the idea. The pivot on fulcrum B can have weight C.
It's mass can equal A + B.
If weight A has an antennae (for lack of a better term), a tab (pictured, like used on an umbrella) can restrict the downward movement of weight A. It slowly moves outward.
It's potential would be relized by weights C & B. Then on the follow through (after bottom center), as weight B drops, it accelerates weight A, just slightly. This would align all 3 weights for the return swing.
The nice part about weight C is that on the follow through, it's inertia would help move weights A & C. This would require weights A & B pivoting at weight C.
Who knows, fulcrum A might not even be needed. Still, if used could make operation of the device simpler.

                                                                               Jim

[AB Hammer]

   Alan,
When weights A and B start their downward swing, weight B would be supporting weight A.
This would give them both the same momentum. When fulcrum A starts lifting weight A, weight A will have a shorter path to follow than weight B does. This would cause weight A to be pushing weight B.
As far as pendulums and swings go, weight B does not need to move at the ends of it's pendulum. I showed this as part of the mechanics children use.

                                                                       Jim

edited to add attachment.
edit; it might just be that when fulcrum A starts lifting weight A that weights A and b have the same distance to travel. If so, then the energy developed when weight B is supporting weight A is the extra impetus into the system which would allow it to be a dynamic self perpetuating pendulum. A tribute to their efficiency.
A part of the reason is that weight A would be dropping more than it's own path allows for.

Greetings Jim

I still don't see you getting an advantage but good luck on it.  When dealing with acceleration of swinging. I would suggest watching kids on the playground swing. By dropping themselves and kicking out to accelerate.

[johnny874]

Greetings Jim

I still don't see you getting an advantage but good luck on it.  When dealing with acceleration of swinging. I would suggest watching kids on the playground swing. By dropping themselves and kicking out to accelerate.

  Hi Alan,
As you know, I am engaged in learning the build process for what I consider to be Bessler's working wheel.
With this, there is one important thing to remember, work equals mass times distance. And it seems that torque is to be considered just the same.
What this means is if someone tries to rotate a wheel using solid weights that they have to consider the distance the weights travel and their average position from center. That's to keep it simple. And using 4 weights as an example, the weights being lifted have to move close enough to the axle to travel less distance than those falling. A very difficult thing to do.
With swinging weights, the efficiency increases. And as one weight drops, it can lift with no friction, a weight dropping can lift another weight the same height. While Bessler said he used 6 and 8 weights, he did not say on which wheel.
With a wheel based on a pendulum type behavior, more than 2 weights can be used. But 2 weights might work best with the mechanics. And the best thing about something like this is people would believe that everything is rotating with the wheel. But as only the hands on a watch rotate, it would be the wheel and not it's mechanics that would be rotating. this would put people on the wrong trail from the word go. Thus they would never figure out Bessler's subterfuge.


                                                                                                                             Jim

[johnny874]

   Alan,
this might help simplify things for you and everyone else.
As has been mentioned, bessler made time pieces. these required great skill.
And as you once asked in Besslerwheel, what could fit inside a wheel that
is 4 inches (10 cm's) wide ? Swinging levers could. And to throw a little math
at you, if a 1 meter long levers are used with a 7.5 cm radius cog, an over balance of
5.88 cm's. Or the CoG would be 94.12 cm's. And if it rotated 1/4 turn, then the Cog
would be 82.345 cm's. That's a signifigant difference.
As for the wheel itself, how much would the frame of a 10 cm wide wheel weigh ?
Not much, especially if it is covered with material as Bessler's were known to have.
Just don't expect it to do much work, but it could rotate if the math proves to be correct.
By the way, remember the spinning top that was a clue ? It could roll, couldn't it ? Like
maybe if a line were attached to something else ? And the line was attached to both ends
to pull it evenly ? just a thought.

                                                                                           Jim

edited to add picture showing a straight line pull.

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