12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[Cloxxki]

A moving weight HAVING force? I thought it has kinetic energy.
It can EXERT force when meeting an opposite force, but only until energy runs out, or as gravity provides.

Please do correct me when wrong.

I will try to make a point of every post here ending with my belief that the 2SO is based on fuzzy physics, false claims. NOT over unity.

[johnny874]

  @All,
If you consider a 1kg weight with .5N of force, @ 1m, it would generate sufficient torque to operate Mt 26. This might be why he said "Behind this problem one looks for an augmented problem".
The motion itself is @ a 2:1 ratio. And as seen in other drawings, Bessler was aware of having levers working in opposition to each other. This would help to cancel out their effect on any imbalance they would create wile performing work while moving a weight to an over balanced and an under balanced position, something necessary for potential free energy.
And with 4 sets of weights, there would be 8 in all, an amount Bessler did say he used.
Of course, I also like what Tom came up with. If you consider that if a weight dropping 4cm's while moving 8.7 cm's lifts something 8.7 mm's, the 8.7 might be able to be amplified by using scissors. If so, then with 2 sets of scissors the 8.7 mm's could become 3.48 cm's.
What is nice about this is staying strictly with drop to lift and mass ratios, it would not be that difficult to see if a 1.5 kg weight could be lifted. If so, it would be about a 40% increase in potential. I did a quick check, @ 1.15 kg's, the 3.48 cm lift is the same as a 1 kg weight dropping 4 cm's. This would allow for an easy check to see if extra energy could be realized using this concept. If so, then I guess all that would be left is putting more work into to build a wheel or just to have a perpetual pendulum.
What works for Tom's idea might also work for Mt 26.

[neptune]

Hi guys .I can not really comment on Bessler matters , because it is not something I have studied . All I will say is this . If it can be demonstrated that a 1Kg weight falling a given distance can raise a 1.5 kg weight a similar distance , then there will be a host of volunteers to build a a complete machine based on the same principle .
        I have been in touch with Jovan Marjonovic . I told him about my measurement methods and experiments .He built a 2SO where the load weight was prevented from falling by a ratchet ,  although he did not use my method of a movable marker to show the highest point of pendulum swing . He freely admits that the model failed to show OU . He still believes that using a vary long pendulum and a small pivot drop , that OU may be possible . Personally I strongly doubt this , and it has yet to be proved .
       So , Johnny .if you can demonstrate proof of concept , maybe that is all you will need to do .Regards , Ken

[Cloxxki]

Ken, that's a breakthrough! One on the proponents agreeing there is no OU, and only maybe with a long pendulum.

Jim, I don't have a physics degree to prove you wrong, but I have all kinds of alarm bells in my head that you've mixing up force, torque and energy again. And yes, there is OU everywhere then. I've come to several designs that way myself.
Please go back one step and elaborate just on the claim of a weight moving, and "having force". This has nothing to do with English being your second language. You are cutting numerous corners, or you're simply in the wrong dimension. Your latest post I simply cannot read, it definately belongs in a Bessler thread.

[johnny874]

Ken, that's a breakthrough! One on the proponents agreeing there is no OU, and only maybe with a long pendulum.

Jim, I don't have a physics degree to prove you wrong, but I have all kinds of alarm bells in my head that you've mixing up force, torque and energy again. And yes, there is OU everywhere then. I've come to several designs that way myself.
Please go back one step and elaborate just on the claim of a weight moving, and "having force". This has nothing to do with English being your second language. You are cutting numerous corners, or you're simply in the wrong dimension. Your latest post I simply cannot read, it definately belongs in a Bessler thread.

  Cloxxki, is the problem that maybe Bessler found a solution to this problem ? Even the Egyptians in the time of Archimedes used something similar to a TSMO to draw water from the Nile to irrigate their fields. That was over 4,000 years ago.
But as stated on Wikipedia, current understanding does not allow for perpetual motion. 
edited to add;   Archimedes who invented (got credit for) the screw pump died in the year 2012 B.C.E. His screw pump is also believed to have been used in the Hanging Gardens, one of the Wonders of the World in antiquity.