12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[ltseung888]

Hi Lawrence. I read through your reply 2826, and there are no explanations in there
about how a QMoGen works that I could see.  The QMoGens demos that I have seen in videos do not appear to
use unbalanced wheels or unbalanced cylinders. If some of these devices really are over unity then
it appears they are working on some other principle other than gravity use/unbalanced wheels or cylinders.
The William Skinner device did appear to use eccentric shafts and weights, so it may possibly
fit to your theories however.

Here's one example of a 'QMoGen' type device. This could well be a fake however, as you can't tell at all from a video
if such a device is genuine or not, but, at any rate, this particular device just appears to use a fly wheel, and
I think possibly a modified electric motor, as they mention using neodymium magnets in the motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTLLnUOPOQk

All the best...

@Void,

Thank you for bringing out a very good point.  The best QMOGEN I know and keep stressing multiple times is the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  It has the Unbalanced Cylinders.  The entire reply 2826 discussion is based with that QMOGEN in mind.

The William Skinner device is strictly Unbalanced Wheel using Centrifugal Force to lead-out gravitational energy.  It uses a 1/8 HP motor to drive the device to get greater power.

Many QMOGENs explicitly use Flywheels.  For the garage inventors, the chance of producing a slightly Unbalanced Flywheel is very high.  Dr. Raymond Ting replaced his flywheel with an explicit unbalanced flywheel.  (Bolting a hammer to a flywheel).  The resulting torque twisted the shaft.  The device shook so much that he had to stop the experiment.

The observation was clear - increased torque and increased energy.

The Chalkalis QMOGEN is clearly based on Unbalanced Wheel.  The Chas Campbell QMOGEN has loose belts and flywheel.

The Wang Wheel was deliberately designed to be unbalanced.  The Wang Wheel had 7 magnets. 

It is true that some QMOGENs such as the YMNEE does not have any explicit flywheel.  However, the Unbalancing might have been designed into their motor and generators. 

Some QMOGENs are actually "accidents" making replicating very difficult.  With slight unbalancing, the centrifugal force effect will show at higher rotational speeds.  That is the reason why many QMOGENs operate at high rotational speeds.  Their speeds can be greatly reduced if the unbalancing is deliberately built in such as the Wang wheel.

One other element is that - if gravitational energy can be lead-out, magnetic and electromagnetic energy must be able to be lead-out in a similar fashion.  I have not covered this particular aspect thoroughly yet.

The power of the lead-out energy theory is to improve the Milkovic 2SO totally.  It will improve almost all QMOGENs with Unbalanced Cylinders.  The non-overunity QEG will become overunity if an unbalanced cylinder were added. 

Divine wine flows....

Lawrence
see reply 2826

[MarkE]

That's another invalid assertion MarkE.

Force is ENERGY known as MECHANICAL ENERGY with the ABILITY TO DO WORK. Levers provide "Man", men the means of manipulating MECHANICAL ENERGY, at MECHANICAL ADVANTAGE. (in some cases, and even animals as well)

No, force is very distinct from energy.  Energy is the integral of force applied through the direction of motion.  One can have all the force in the world and as long as that force is normal to the direction of motion, or there is no motion, no work is exchanged.

You can't have it both ways MarkE since you already stated: "Foot pounds are units of ENERGY: 1 lb force applied through 1 ft distance." which describes a simple lever being acted upon by FORCE. (See:  Re: Flywheel devices « Reply #87 on: March 09, 2015, 07:52:35 AM » "Your key concepts are a confused mess.")

It is you who do not understand very basic physics.  Read the quote again: 

"Foot pounds are units of ENERGY: 1 lb force applied through 1 ft distance." . 

See the word "through"?

Please fully explain your CON-flicting assertions.

[MarkE]

@Void,

Thank you for bringing out a very good point.  The best QMOGEN I know and keep stressing multiple times is the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  It has the Unbalanced Cylinders.  The entire reply 2826 discussion is based with that QMOGEN in mind.

The William Skinner device is strictly Unbalanced Wheel using Centrifugal Force to lead-out gravitational energy.  It uses a 1/8 HP motor to drive the device to get greater power.

Many QMOGENs explicitly use Flywheels.  For the garage inventors, the chance of producing a slightly Unbalanced Flywheel is very high.  Dr. Raymond Ting replaced his flywheel with an explicit unbalanced flywheel.  (Bolting a hammer to a flywheel).  The resulting torque twisted the shaft.  The device shook so much that he had to stop the experiment.

The observation was clear - increased torque and increased energy.

The Chalkalis QMOGEN is clearly based on Unbalanced Wheel.  The Chas Campbell QMOGEN has loose belts and flywheel.

The Wang Wheel was deliberately designed to be unbalanced.  The Wang Wheel had 7 magnets. 

It is true that some QMOGENs such as the YMNEE does not have any explicit flywheel.  However, the Unbalancing might have been designed into their motor and generators. 

Some QMOGENs are actually "accidents" making replicating very difficult.  With slight unbalancing, the centrifugal force effect will show at higher rotational speeds.  That is the reason why many QMOGENs operate at high rotational speeds.  Their speeds can be greatly reduced if the unbalancing is deliberately built in such as the Wang wheel.

One other element is that - if gravitational energy can be lead-out, magnetic and electromagnetic energy must be able to be lead-out in a similar fashion.  I have not covered this particular aspect thoroughly yet.

The power of the lead-out energy theory is to improve the Milkovic 2SO totally.  It will improve almost all QMOGENs with Unbalanced Cylinders.  The non-overunity QEG will become overunity if an unbalanced cylinder were added. 

Divine wine flows....

Lawrence
see reply 2826

None of your cited devices perform net work in excess of the input.  None of them evolve net work from gravity cycle by cycle.  At this point you are slipping from foolishness into overt fraud.

[sm0ky2]

Before we get too far into negating a suggestion that the U.S. government would or would not "suppress" technology...

Allow me to remind the readers of the historical accounts of great inventors John Searl, and Howard Robert Johnson.
Both of these cases represent well documented government suppression, with witnesses to substantiate the claims of the inventors.
As well as exists military and government technological documents supporting those claims.

While Searl's tech is confusing to most and there have been no successful replications,
(suppression)

H.J. did a good job at delivering his magnetic principals to the world, and many advancements in the field of magnetics are the result.
(attempted suppression)

[sm0ky2]

@ltseung888      Lawrence

              You repeatedly reference the Milkovic device in attempt to support your theory.
This device has been thoroughly explained using the standard accepted physics of modern times, and has been experimentally proven to be operating under such described principals.

While, your intention to improve this device is admirable, as it would bring the technology closer to efficiency, which is our ultimate goal.
   The device, and the principals under which it operates need not be attempted to be explained by your Lead-Out theory of Energy.
As such device is not applicable.  I have studied your theory, and it seems evident that you do not understand it as well as you probably should, being its most devout promoter.
Milkovic pump is NOT a Lead-Out device. It IS more efficient than our crude technology reminent of the 1800's that is still in use where these pumps are being employed, but the technology does not approach efficiency as of yet. There is no energy to be gained from that system.