12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

[ltseung888]

Unlike various complications, two-stage oscillator has a clear principle.


Image (1)   Fc – Centrifugal Force, Fg – Gravitational Force

Ideal addition of forces in pendulum – culmination is in the lowest position and zero force is in upper position. In addition, there is a difference in potential during the oscillation.


Image (2)

The pendulum – lever system or two-stage oscillator principle: the pendulum oscillation on the left causes the oscillation of the two-arm lever which can result in useful work (mechanical hammering, water pumping, etc). Archimedes (c. 287 BC – c. 212 BC) worked on lever and Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) on pendulum, and the combination of the two results in new mechanical effects.

Merg, I think you have the best explanation diagram on the Milkovic 2SO.  It is the Fc+Fg at the lowest pendulum swing position that provides the lever or seesaw action.  That action is "free".  So long as the pendulum maintains its swinging motion, the lever will have the up and down motion.

In addition, that up and down motion can do work without affecting the swinging motion of the pendulum (or draining energy away from the swinging pendulum).

The power of your explanation diagrams goes beyond the Milkovic 2SO.  If gravitational energy can be led-out, magnetic or electromagnetic energy must be able to be led-out as we can easily replace the pendulum bob with a magnet and increase the gravitational field with artificial magnetic fields.

That opens the whole field of lead-out energy...

[norman6538]

Refering back to msg 3531 there are some missing physics - ie leverage.
So let M - 1 be the left mass and M - 2 the right mass.
let M-1 be 10 units and M-2 be 2 units then the ratio is 5:1. then
let the leverage be less then 5:1 - say 4:1 we know that M-1 can't
lift M-2 but we also know that if some extra force/work becomes
available when the swinging arc reaches bottom which I call the "yank down
force" then M-1 will lift M-2. Then 2 more things must be considered.

1. If I push a balanced seesaw up and down I have not done any work because
its balanced but If I put 1 lb on the other end then the work done would be
1lb  times the distance - say 2 feet. 2 ft lbs of work.



2. How much work goes into the swing push?

I tried to an unbalanced get Chan wheel (which is a 360 degree pendulum) to turn from a weight on a string dropping.
and thus lifting M-2 but it did not perform as hoped for.

So the work done is the mass difference and the leverage ratio considered
and compared to the work require to make the push.

Norman

[ltseung888]

Refering back to msg 3531 there are some missing physics - ie leverage.
So let M - 1 be the left mass and M - 2 the right mass.
let M-1 be 10 units and M-2 be 2 units then the ratio is 5:1. then
let the leverage be less then 5:1 - say 4:1 we know that M-1 can't
lift M-2 but we also know that if some extra force/work becomes
available when the swinging arc reaches bottom which I call the "yank down
force" then M-1 will lift M-2. Then 2 more things must be considered.

1. If I push a balanced seesaw up and down I have not done any work because
its balanced but If I put 1 lb on the other end then the work done would be
1lb  times the distance - say 2 feet. 2 ft lbs of work.



2. How much work goes into the swing push?

I tried to an unbalanced get Chan wheel (which is a 360 degree pendulum) to turn from a weight on a string dropping.
and thus lifting M-2 but it did not perform as hoped for.

So the work done is the mass difference and the leverage ratio considered
and compared to the work require to make the push.

Norman

1. If I push a balanced seesaw up and down I have not done any work because
its balanced but If I put 1 lb on the other end then the work done would be
1lb  times the distance - say 2 feet. 2 ft lbs of work.[/size]


Your statement is correct.  But the missing point is that the work done does not come from the swinging motion of the pendulum.  A badly constructed Milkovic 2SO or a Chan Wheel will vibrate and shake so much that energy does seen to come from the pendulum.  (The pendulum bob does not go nearly back to its initial position).  A properly built Milkovic or Chan Wheel will show otherwise.

Please show the construction of your Milkovic or Chan wheel.  We may be able to advice you on how to improve it so that you get the proper results.

[norman6538]

Itseung888 said


"Your statement is correct.  But the missing point is that the work done does not come from the swinging motion of the pendulum.  A badly constructed Milkovic 2SO or a Chan Wheel will vibrate and shake so much that energy does seen to come from the pendulum.  (The pendulum bob does not go nearly back to its initial position).  A properly built Milkovic or Chan Wheel will show otherwise.

Please show the construction of your Milkovic or Chan wheel.  We may be able to advice you on how to improve it so that you get the proper results.  "

I do not have that device assembled anymore. When I work I make rapid and crude
prototypes and if they show promise then I make more precise ones. But think of the
device this way.

1. A weight on a string turns the Chan wheel - input work
2. another weight on a string is lifted by the Milkovic/Chan wheel

Then very simply and clearly if the work (weight times distance) of 1
is greater than the work of 2 we have something.

Very easy with no meter/measurement error factors.

But my point was nobody has accounted for all of the physics properly.

Norman

[ltseung888]

Itseung888 said


"Your statement is correct.  But the missing point is that the work done does not come from the swinging motion of the pendulum.  A badly constructed Milkovic 2SO or a Chan Wheel will vibrate and shake so much that energy does seen to come from the pendulum.  (The pendulum bob does not go nearly back to its initial position).  A properly built Milkovic or Chan Wheel will show otherwise.

Please show the construction of your Milkovic or Chan wheel.  We may be able to advice you on how to improve it so that you get the proper results.  "

I do not have that device assembled anymore. When I work I make rapid and crude
prototypes and if they show promise then I make more precise ones. But think of the
device this way.

1. A weight on a string turns the Chan wheel - input work
2. another weight on a string is lifted by the Milkovic/Chan wheel

Then very simply and clearly if the work (weight times distance) of 1
is greater than the work of 2 we have something.

Very easy with no meter/measurement error factors.

But my point was nobody has accounted for all of the physics properly.

Norman

It is good to do prototypes to demonstrate the Physics.


However, many academic institutions would like accurate, reproducible results.  We can let those with proper resources satisfy the academics.


UFOs from China and USA are already flying.  Their resources are far superior to anything private individuals or companies can master...