Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated

[pmgr]

Hi Jerdee,

The way the fields are mixed isn't by just simple superposition (i.e. addition) of the fields. To have more energy out than spent to make the field it has to become coherent like done in LASER light. That way the waves don't ride through each other like two beams of light crossing but becomes a new single wave representing the addition before doing the squaring (coherent instead of simple superposition). Normally to make the separate waves become a single coherent wave the single waves has to mixed in a nonlinear media. Else the waves just slip apart or ride through each other which is normal superposition or interference. The question then is: Is the core working around the point of magnetic saturation?

My guess is that Pierre's device actually manages to mix or merge the separate fields of each coil into a new coherent field that doesn't slip apart. The ratios of energy then becomes:

Input energy: 1² + 1² + 1² + 1² + 1² + 1² = 6
Output energy: (1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1)² = 36

Or actually it's 12 coils (six coils in each end) giving the difference in energy levels of 12 times:
Input energy: 12
Output energy: 12² = 144

This is just my guess. The ratio will have to be measured.

Regards
Ole

Ole, as a laser physicist, I have to disagree with you. Laser light is indeed coherent, but that doesn't mean that the energy contained in it is more than what was needed to create it.

In coherent optical communication, you can mix a local oscillator with an incoming laser beam to amplify it upon detection. A photodiode which detects light has a absolute value squaring function: |E|^2.

So if you put the incoming beam (Ein) directly on the detector, you measure |Ein|^2. If you mix it with a local oscillator first, you get |Ein + Eloc|^2 which gives |Ein|^2 + |Eloc|^2 + 2 Re{Ein*conj(Eloc)}. In a real application, the last term is of interest as its amplitude is magnified by the power of the local laser, but again, the total energy is never larger than the sum of the energy of the incoming laser and the local oscillator.

PmgR

[onielsen]

Hi pmgr,

Ole, as a laser physicist, I have to disagree with you. Laser light is indeed coherent, but that doesn't mean that the energy contained in it is more than what was needed to create it.

I don't know from where else the excess energy arrives then. Dr. A. Melnichenko discovered by accident this principle when he melted a microwave guide which is a rectangular copper tube. He sent microwaves from two or was it three transmitters through the wave guide. The power wasn't enough to melt the tube which it did anyway. His explanation to the phenomena was that the beams became coherent which could account for the excess power that ruined the wave guide.

Two of Melnichenko's articles explaining the principle:
Generator of energy on nonlinear inductance: https://translate.google.dk/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fua-hho.do.am%2Fpubl%2Fidei_po_ehnergii%2Fgenerator_ehnergii_na_nelinejnoj_induktivnosti%2F2-1-0-185
In-phase interference of electromagnetic waves and energy transgeneration: http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://izob.narod.ru/p0007.html

János Vajda has a mathematical treatise on the principle:
VIOLATION OF THE LAW OF ENERGY CONSERVATION IN WAVE FIELDS: https://feprinciples.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/energy_from_wave_fields_1-21.pdf

Try looking at it from an engineer's point of view. If it works even though many books will tell that it doesn't work perhaps the books should be rewritten to fit nature instead of dictating nature to fit the books. Read Ivor Catt's struggle the scientific community to see the difference between scientists  and engineers or technicians. Eventually read about 'The Forbidden Equation: i = qc' to see what is wrong in the scientific community: (https://wiki.naturalphilosophy.org/index.php?title=The_Forbidden_Equation:_i_%3D_qc)

It all comes down to removing the properties of space. Space has permittivity and permeability which are physical properties and can be simply measured. Perhaps there is an aeather (electrons and positrons according to W.B. Smith' theory) even though many books discards it?!

Regards
Ole

[gotoluc]

6 Coil Test AC vs DC: https://youtu.be/hrMSWq6iZcE

[pmgr]

6 Coil Test AC vs DC: https://youtu.be/hrMSWq6iZcE

Luc, can you post a schematic for how you are driving your coils, as well as the  propellor connections/code. It's hard to figure out how things are connected and biased, just listening to your explanation.
PmgR

[konehead]

Hi Luc
Great video again and great progress too
Numbers now looking real good!
All makes sense and simple now...and why in retrospect hitt the poor rotor winds from all sides

Think of rotor winds as permanent magnet and rotating fields revolve as in rotating generator and then how is best way to do it....
Also more important of course think of rotatng fields as permanent magnets and rotor as it is.....now how could you do the best rotating generator like this?
I would say your best bet with 30 poles in stator is to "mimic" a revolving field of.10 permanent magnets and energize always only two at 180 degrees that are in that "edge" register you found.
Space the revolving fields apart such as only one pole is energized ( actually two at 180) and there  is  blank pole each side
Idea is to mimic a rotating field of 10 permanent magnets 
nsnsnsnsn and the width of permanent magnets is also the same distance as that between them
Soi12mm wide magnets now 12mm ispace in between measuring edge to edge
Now, mimic eletomsonically via Jerdee's expertise this revolving permanent magnet field whirling  around that rotor with the 600 turns
So it becomes  electromagnet whirling field of course.
I base all this advice on the many Muller generators I have built
These with flat disc rotors stuffed with neo magnets evenly spaced in the flat disc then coils each side
Common design 8 or 16 NS magnets in rotor
And 9 or17 coils each side of rotor
But of course you have a single coil to whirl magnets around
Anyways just think if 12 mm wide magnets have 12mm space between them translate this dz generator mode
I think this will work  very good for you
Higher frequencies should make incredible power