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Kapanadze and other FE discussion

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stivep

The answer is provided in maximum condensed  form as most of this
forum readers doesn't like to read if they feel like intimidated by level of technicality.
Quote from: Sergh on September 26, 2023, 06:52:15 AM
But let's go back to Nikola Tesla.
The wireless transmission of energy over a distance of 26 miles to illuminate 200 incandescent lamps is presented everywhere as a historical fact.
I responded to it already but in short  form:

Line of sight:
Radio wave  propagates in straight line.
If antenna of TX( transmitter) is 1m long and Rx (receiver) is 1m long the radio horizon is 4.12 km
https://www.everythingrf.com/rf-calculators/line-of-sight-calculator

From that point  Radio wave  doesn't fallow earth curvature. - The wave  can't be received by 1m high Rx antenna
in line of sight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_sight
However depends from its frequency Radio waves can follow the curvature of the Earth beyond the visible horizon if they are
deflected in a number of ways as they move through the troposphere, such as reflection, refraction, or diffraction by air molecules

The Tesla experiment distance was stated 41.84km= 26 miles.
For signal to be able to be received both Tx and Rx. antennas must be at elevated to 100m=300ft.  (in "line of sight")

The frequency of the signal:
- was 20kHz( we do not know we just assume) or typical to this time 100kHz.
If Tesla used  frequency range  3–30 kHz known as Ground wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_wave than:
VLF radio waves can diffract around large obstacles and so are not blocked by mountain ranges, and can propagate as ground waves
following the curvature of the Earth and so are not limited by the horizon.
If Tesla used 100kHz or more than it doesn't  (in "line of sight")

Inverse square law for  radio wave:
Radio waves lose intensity as they travel outward from their source, obeying the inverse-square law,
which states that intensity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from a source1 2
Tesla would lose  over the distance 41.84km 28.77960095 db =-99.86% of power.  if his antenna gain was 1
https://www.everythingrf.com/rf-calculators/free-space-path-loss-calculator
https://lasercalculator.com/db-percent-converter/   (even if EM wave was directionally concentrated  like laser.)
Note: some error in calculation is  possible but not much - as we are using  calculator db to percentage made for lasers( -that is also EM wave)

Quote from: Sergh on September 26, 2023, 06:52:15 AM
But how could this work? What if it was not a wireless transmission of energy, but a wireless transmission of a signal to turn on the lamps?
Your statement is confusing. Signal is energy (has energy) and yes it could act as  remote control activating relay of Rx.

Conclusions:
If  Tesla unknowingly used  A to B  energy transfer promoted by Dr James Corum that originated as
surface wave or Sommerfeld-Zenneck surface wave in ~  1908 than everything is  easily explainable.
1. The  lower is the frequency the lower are the losses till they become marginal
2. Inverse square  law doesn't apply to waveguides.
Note: more   accurate  explanation was provided  many times by me.

Wesley.

Sergh

1. The antenna that Tesla used in 1900 in Colorado Springs was not directional. This can be seen from the old original photos. Just a vertically raised conductor with a sphere on top. In this way, energy could be radiated in all directions.

2. Okay, energy is radiated across the surface of the Earth. But what of this? The energy density per 1 meter circle with a radius of 26 miles from the transmitter antenna will also decrease, but in proportion to the distance (not the square of the distance).
I have no idea how to accurately calculate the power at the Tesla receiving antenna.
But since no one has been able to use powerful low-frequency signals for submarines to generate electricity, this will be impossible.

Conventional calculations for normal antennas are not suitable, since Tesla coils do not meet the prerequisites of these calculations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_(antenna)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friis_transmission_equation

3. Theme of resonance with the Earth.
Yes, of course, if Tesla used the resonance of the planet Earth, then it would be necessary to count differently, as 2 connected circuits.
But his settings seem to be at much higher frequencies.
Resonance is strong only at the main frequency. At multiple frequencies it is no longer so strong. Especially when the multiple frequency is very far from the main one.
  And with the resonance of the Earth, everything is not so good. The Schumann resonance is constantly fueled by lightning, but there are no electrical storms on our planet, like on the planet Pandora from the movie "Avatar". And even to simply detect the presence of the Schumann resonance, you need very sensitive equipment with excellent input filters. Otherwise, the device input will be overloaded with an industrial frequency of 50 -60 Hz.
And even when the Schumann resonance is recorded, the sinusoid looks very bad, with phase breaks.
It follows from this that the quality of planet Earth as an electrical resonator is very poor. Big losses due to bad surface conductivity and non-ideal dielectric properties of the atmosphere.

4. Waveguide is a closed space with high electrical efficiency of all its elements. Okay, if you find a channel with very salty water in the salt lake, it can probably somehow be used as a waveguide for some specific range of frequencies that do not attenuate much due to conducted losses.
But what does this salt water channel have to do with what Tesla was doing in Colorado Springs in the 1900s?

I do not find salt lakes here:

https://earth.google.com/web/search/Nikola+Tesla+Colorado+Springs

kolbacict


stivep

Quote from: Sergh on September 27, 2023, 04:07:11 AM
the Schumann resonance// Big losses due to bad surface conductivity and
non-ideal dielectric properties of the atmosphere.

4. Waveguide is a closed space with high electrical efficiency of all its elements.
Okay, if you find a channel with very salty water in the salt lake, it can probably somehow
be used as a waveguide for some specific range of frequencies that do not attenuate much
due to conducted losses.
But what does this salt water channel have to do with what Tesla was doing in Colorado Springs
in the 1900s?
I do not find salt lakes here:
https://earth.google.com/web/search/Nikola+Tesla+Colorado+Springs
Answer in condensed form:
Every possible speculation, fantasy, or imagination product is always the effect of  its author  technical and/or scientific level based on desired application.
Scientist uses "the known" as a base to form structure having carefully added "the unknown"
Your structure Sergh  differs to much from mine. I'm too conservative for that.

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The goal:
find the answer: "how", "why", and "what  for".
"why"          - the answer is curiosity and gain
"what for"    - the answer is  fame and money
"how"          - the answer and provided by me explanation is still not  causing you to  do what I did.
Result:
for me it works  it  was checked, tested and I have working model.
for  you it  was not checked, not tested and You do not have working model.
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Explanation  of some   elements:

Flat 2D waveguide needs  two elements  the conductor and dielectric.
Salt  has much better conductivity than  earth.
Air  is  everywhere  ~the same.
Result:
more perfect car  drives easier.
more perfect  waveguide allows easier faster learning , needed than to understand  another yet
process of Energy extraction from Schuman waveguide.(=FE)
-No need for  good grounding
-salt  quiet surface is  perfect for seeing the  results instead of hunting for the results.
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Summary:
If  Dr Zenneck  was conducting his (New York State ) 1936 Seneca lake experiment  in
in Utah Salt Lake City  than Dr Borrow  ( in 1936 he was  powerful official) would never be able to
shut down this  branch of science  till in 1952  Dr Goubau presented G line and  in 2007 Dr Corum
made his  provisional patent  reintroducing   waveguide called 2 D interface .
Tesla had no idea about Interface ( he should of build his tower in Salt Lake  City instead)
Dr Zenneck , Dr Goubau and Dr Corum didn't think about Salt water too.
I did.


opinion  expressed is my own

Wesley

Sergh

Quote from: stivep on September 27, 2023, 07:56:45 AM

Tesla had no idea about Interface

Wesley
You think so that Tesla had no idea about the interface, because Tesla did not tell anyone anything about his real devices.
In one of my previous posts there was a link to a book about Tesla, page 193.

O'Neill, John J. (1944). Prodigal Genius: The life of Nikola Tesla. Ives Washburn, Inc. p. 193.

Wesley, did you read the next page, p. 194?

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