Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[Void]

We appear to again be wandering off onto esoteric operating theories that really in my opinion do not relate to what we witness as in Kapanadze's various demos. Kapanadze stated to a.king21's team during the Aqua2 demo, along the lines, that the earth ground was not essential and that the device could work without it, albeit at reduced performance. Also, Kapanadze was wary of operataing the device during stormy weather conditions. This information, if accurate, does not suggest to me that the source of energy was from the ground. The Aqua 2 device apparently had just one ground wire, so could not have operated using the two ground rod principle shown by Wesley. The clues here rather suggest an aeriel source of energy that is returned to ground via the device. Those that have carefully studied the 'green box' series of videos will have seen an aeriel wire from the perimeter fence adjacent the roadway, to the tree in the garden. Although its not possible to conclude that this wire was carrying energy to the device, nonetheless, in my opinion, its far more unlikely that the source of energy was contained within the device box itself. Ruling out simple deliberate faking, then maybe Kapanadze discovered some clever method of extracting energy using an elevated long horizontal aerial??

Hi Hoppy. I personally make no definite assumptions about how these setups might actually work,
if any do really work. That could end up leading a person down the garden path if they make one or more wrong assumptions.
However, we do know all the basic components used by people like Prentice and maybe Daly
as well, so, for people who are interested, experimenting with similar setups without making
any assumptions where ever possible is probably not a bad approach to take.

If the story and video of Kapanadze's demo on the island is at all accurate, there wasn't likely
any chance of Kapanadze or his friends preparing anything at the unknown location in advance.

Regarding Prentice. In 1923 when 'energy shortages' were probably unheard of, there wasn't likely any large
and pressing monetary motivation for Prentice to 'make up' the claims he made in his patent application. He probably
just viewed it as an interesting anomaly that might potentially be made use of commercially some day, but there probably
wasn't any  pressing motivation at all back then for Prentice or others to spend too much time investigating it further.
This is why I find his patent document to be very interesting, and why I have posted the details here again.

My thought is why the sparkgap at the end of the long wire? Could it be doing something similar to what Kapanadze is using one for?
The problem for experimenters is sparkgaps generate a lot of HV electrical 'noise' (wideband radiation) and it often makes
digital equipment go on the blink or sometimes blows circuits. Not so easy to work with if you want to try to do careful measurements.

[Hoppy]

My thought is why the sparkgap at the end of the long wire? Could it be doing something similar to what Kapanadze is using one for?
The problem for experimenters is sparkgaps generate a lot of HV electrical 'noise' (wideband radiation) and it often makes
digital equipment go on the blink or sometimes blows circuits. Not so easy to work with if you want to try to do careful measurements.

Hi Void,

Interesting thought about the Prentice long line spark-gap. If the Prentice patent bears a resemblance to Kapanadze's devices, then it might explain the apparently low tech and rather crudely contructed devices in his demos. The grenade might be acting as a HV step-down transformer. As you say, its a difficult platform for experimentation.

[Void]

I think the following attached drawing is the general idea of how these setups might be 'over unity' (COP > 1).
The drawing is not at all meant to be a working OU circuit, but just shows the general idea of how these setups
might possibly achieve COP > 1. When we include interaction with the surrounding environment in a setup, we may
no longer have an entirely 'closed loop system', and the potential is there at least for seeing a COP > 1 by drawing in
energy from the environment somehow. Exactly how it might work, such as capturing cosmic or solar radiations / high energetic particles
or ions or other charged particles, or by resonating with telluric currents, or drawing in 'energy from the vacuum', etc. is still anyone's
guess I think, unless someone wants to spill the beans here.  

[apecore]

Hi Apecore. Unfortunately I think no one can say for certain what might work and what might not.
My suggestion is for anyone interested to look at the basic components of circuits by
people like Daly, Akula, and Prentice, and try some different setups and see what kind of results you get.
If anyone gets any interesting results, they can post those results here if they like.

Void,
Thanks again for your response.
I do agree we do not know what might work...  but we do have the oppertunity to disclose  f.e.  Wyatt's system step by step,...  by doing tests and see whats happening,....  important is the explanation why it will or won't do what was expected.

I like your simple approach in your last post....  i do agree we have to "cut "the elefant in pieces...  else we won t get in "standing up and walk"

I d like to combine the next step..    the resonance of the wire(19) in to your simple schematic.
In my opinion a  wave wil to fit into wire (19)...  The patent is suggesting that 0.8Km  compares with 0.5Mhz....  when tuned..  its close to the ( 300/ 800 = 0.375Mhz)...
In this case probably a full wave between secondary (13) and SG (21)...
When we use shorter wire length ratio's the frequenty will increase.... 

I did some measurements on a 40meter wire in my garden... placing it in a big circle in order to have the both ends close together for measuring the inductance.
This 40meter wire has a inductance of approx 55uH.
If we want to start from the convetional way...  (Coil>> Cap>> resonance) ..  the HV caps connected to earth will be very small.
As comparing to the Wyatt setup..  the frequenty at a 40Meter wire would be 20 times higher....  about 10Mhz..

Unless this all makes it proabably much difficult i do think we need to stay as much as possible to the original Wyatt patent configuration.
I hope you agree with this approach.

Greetings

[Void]

Apecore, it sounds like a good experiment approach to me.
I have conducted a number of experiments along this line already in the past,
so I am now taking a bit of time to review some of the basic setups by Kapanadze, Prentice, Daly, Akula again
and thinking about it all some more. As soon as I get some time I will continue with more experiments.
I am still reviewing info and thinking more about it all right at the moment. Trying to think
of some different approaches to take based on what I have already tried in my previous experiments.