Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[stivep]

Hi Wesley,
Have you seen anywhere where anyone associated with Zenneck wave research is claiming
that a COP > 1 can be achieved using Zenneck wave technology? Wireless Power transmission
on a large scale is cool if someone can make it work, but if it if it doesn't produce a COP > 1 then
it seems it is not all that significant.

COP more than one is nothing new or uncommon.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-efficiency-and-COP

But as Nick Z said we do not know what kind of implication by means of interaction we can expect from Zenneck Wave and its consequences in physical world.

Wesley

[AlienGrey]

   AG:   Nelson will not totally disclose his secret, as well.   Why don't you start there, instead? Let us know how it goes.

because I'm working on other ideas and already stretched with lack resources and if we all work on different
things we might get somewhere if we help each other

What happened to the view that electron stress produced an excess of charged-energy pos and neg separation? back to the old hammer shrimp again?

[stivep]

Wesly very interesting post thanks foir that one!
Can I get your opinion on this one (i'm OK on translation. but is it BS or fact without actually building it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8q8CWTjpAY
I would appreciate any positive feedback on this post

NickZ in the PDF 'cold war secrets' it talks about sharp narrow pulse and a long recovery period a relay' if you look at Nelson's
old website on YouTube most of his stuff was started with a battery and a vibration sound he showed a modified relay coil
why not start there but I think you will need to experiment for the correct timing of the LC and on off ratio. Mind boggling! 

Power supply has limited current.
like weak person holding the pile of  wood  in more or less comfortable  position, so his summary vector of power dissipation
uses more or less energy for holding the same load with or without additional losses.
ratio between both primaries winding is 1:1
ratio between primary and secondary is 1:1.5
Power Supply is limited with current.  Control light-bub at PS indicates more or less comfortable to the PS dissipation of available power.
But Energy dissipated at the grid ( outlet) will show you no gain.
And the experimenter does not provide us with any measurement of power delivered to the PS.
There is nothing interesting here taking place.
Wesley

[Void]

COP more than one is nothing new or uncommon.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-efficiency-and-COP

But as Nick Z said we do not know what kind of implication by means of interaction we can expect from Zenneck Wave and its consequences in physical world.

Wesley

Hi Wesley. Yes, I know what 'COP > 1' represents.
So, I take it from your response then that you are not aware of anyone associated
with Zenneck wave research claiming a COP > 1 is possible. The reason I was asking you
this is because Kapanadze has demonstrated an apparent COP of roughly around 60
(based on the the measured power input compared to the approximate power output to the
light bulb bank. There is no indication that I have seen that Kapanadze was using 'Zenneck waves'.
This idea can only be speculation without any indications at all that he was doing so.

[stivep]

Hi Wesley. Yes, I know what 'COP > 1' represents.
So, I take it from your response then that you are not aware of anyone associated
with Zenneck wave research claiming a COP > 1 is possible. The reason I was asking you
this is because Kapanadze has demonstrated an apparent COP of roughly around 60
(based on the the measured power input compared to the approximate power output to the
light bulb bank. There is no indication that I have seen that Kapanadze was using 'Zenneck waves'.
This idea can only be speculation without any indications at all that he was doing so.

That is interesting Void.
Power measured before interface with traditional equipment not prepared to see real power of Surface Wave should show  ZERO 0V
Tariel did show Self Runner but connected to the ground. By that relation of COP is 0V ratio  to value of  dissipated energy at the output, measured by the load in W.
I agree that :

This idea can likely be a speculation without any indications at all that he was doing so.

However 

I'm not aware of anyone associated
with Zenneck wave research claiming a COP > 1 is possible.

But what about the losses?
What  about the inverse square law?

By traditional understanding of laws of conservation of energy ( thermodynamics) there should be no gain unless some kind of interaction I'm not  aware of is present.
Also some statements in Zeneck papers about no losses in relation to the distance from transmitter to the receiver are difficult to  be accepted.
But I might be not enough educated in Zeneck Surface Wave science.
Just the fact that they mentioned it is not only risky  if presented  in front of patent office but courageous.
The origin of no losses can be  analyzed  as well. I do not want to look funny by claiming gain of unknown origin , equaling losses so net value is  zero.
That is why they did not say it in their patents, but in scientific paper   
In  this  case:

,  if the  total  current  strength  in  every  source-segment  remains  invariable  the  field strength at any distance from the source also remains alike.

page 5 under the picture.
http://nedyn.com/Goubau_1951-X.pdf


Wesley