Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[pix]

Hi Wesley,
I stated that OU site is full of BS. It is hard to find a valuable information because it is immediately covered by tons of BS.
Your topic about Zenneck surface wave is very informative.
But it deals with "transmission of energy".
I am more concerned about creating/converting/getting some energy.
Thonemann patent could be found on internet US3085189. It is used to drive current in tokamak plasma for heating it. The same effect is happening if instead plasma we insert conductor.
Similiarities with Steven Marks words:
1.Patent is owned by US Atomic Energy Commision.
2.Electrons drift  in gas or central conductor caused by travelling wave is enchancing that travelling wave. That gives feedback effect which is feeding that process. "Furnace that is feeding itself"
3.DC in central conductor.


PS.
In fact I pointed this patent to overunityforum a while ago 


Cheers,
Pix

[stivep]

I gave TPU patent on the silver plate and nobody bothers 

Analysis of the patent
_{no final conclusions  are made in this  post yet}:

so :
1.   we can place any tube inside of helix ( coil).2.   That tube will have   two electrodes from both  ends.
3.   one of electrodes will act as cathode and another as anode.
<sub>3a. anode "may not be" needed if we plan to shot the particle out ...
      -that can be compared to:
      CRT of TV where  screen doesn't have phosphor screen and  anode grid.. the particle is accelerated and just shot out.
      however traditional CRT mechanism of accelerating is much better for that.

4.</sub> While particle in circular tube  the wave makes  full 360 degrees, the wave in the circuit LC  is "dying"( please read in the text of  the patent)
   _{this point 4 will be corrected in next comment as it is not accurate.}

5.   It is  an electro-magnetic induction device for the conversion of radio frequency electrical energy into direct current electrical energy,
      we delivering :
_{RF at 1MHz
of power ~2-3kW
and in result we  have at the ends of the vacuum tube:
4-5V 
of DC power ~2-3kW}
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However  we can also  make reverse action.
_{where we delivering  DC to the tube and we getting in result the  ~1MHz...2-3kW}

Yet another  scenario is that when we
_{"modulate" DC( with voice) varying its amplitude
or  we do reverse action means  we take 1MHz and modulate it with  AM Voice than   the other  part of the device  acts as demodulator..}

So it is a sort of  very clever  transforming device....a "transformer"
however  coil 20 ( figure 1) has yet another application

Wesley

[stivep]

to get full text of the patent 
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3085189A/en
and than  on the right hand side  click
Download PDF

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Acceleration mechanism:
From the perspective of transmission line:
made of C and L the impedance matching  doesn't care about individual
12 winds sections  of the coil spaced by every  next C capacitor .
The shorted  end is not seen as  shorted transmission line but as the last 12winds ending the LC section .

Note:
50 Ohm  impedance   output/input is the widely  used standard for all of the devices
in the world such as  generators , analyzers, amplifiers and so on.

From view  of the 50 Ohm generator output:
_{-the entire section of all L and C connected to the generator , must represent  by itself the impedance of 50 Ohm to reach SWR 1:1
So  at resonance  for generator the entire coil/capacitors assembly acts as the load.}
-Well not ....  only the resistive R load is the pure  load converting energy into  heat.   
The LC "loads" don't dissipate  energy

reactive loads such as inductors and capacitors dissipate zero power,
yet the fact that they drop voltage and draw current gives the deceptive impression
that they actually do dissipate power. This "phantom power" is called reactive power,
and it is measured in a unit called Volt-Amps-Reactive (VAR), rather than watts.

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/

<sub>but to understand  why we say that any LC antenna is the load  to the transmitter even if LC  doesn't dissipate energy
there is a need for deeper  explanation .. so I  just stop here  for now...
think of it as:
-LC circuit doesn't dissipate energy because Wesley said so and he gave link to this explanation .
- any antenna  is a... LC circuit and  we often  call it a load as   it acts as a load but..from another hand the LC circuit 
   can't dissipate reactive power..</sub>


it is not important how many LC sections is there.. it must be  50 Ohm... that's all.
In reality I don't believe  that 50 Ohm standard applies there.
-the output of the generator can be made to match to whatever is the  impedance of the  LC assembly.
When you make experiment , you care less about the international standards as long as it works for you..
... it is just easier for you, to make generator  with impedance  matching that of  coil capacitor assembly winded on the glass tube - accelerator 

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Form particle in vacuum tube perspective: nothing is important 
the particle  is affected by drag made by first section of 12  winds  and  accelerated by second section and so on...



Wesley

[pix]

Hi Wesley,
Imagine process:
-central conductor is "kicked" by HV source to free electrons from metal lattice while at the same time travelling wave process described in the patent goes on.
Electrons drift is done much easier then, without ohmic loss caused by metal lattice collisions.
To visualise it better- electrons jumps out of the conductor during HV potential "kick" and then are dragged alongside conductor by travelling wave, falling back to central conductor. Net current and voltage difference occurs at the ends of central conductor.
Maybe that is a key to SM words about "kicks" and a "catalyst"?


Regards,
Pix

[kolbacict]

What is this, an analog computer?
To simulate the Schrödinger equation in real time?