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Overunity Machines Forum



IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?

Started by George1, July 21, 2018, 08:11:37 AM

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George1

About the third interesting link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM9tkgjVVrI. It shows the achievements of the Serbian inventor Veljko Milkovic. The same small question: If put on a toy-boat, then wouldn't the platform (together with the toy-boat) move in a direction opposite to the direction of motion of the ball?
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Please note -- NOT REJECTING ANYTHING, only asking small (and to some extent may be stupid :)) questions. But this is because this device/concept is entirely new for us for the present.
Regards, 


nix85

Honestly, i am 50 50 if you're trolling or sincerely asking.

In case you are sincerely asking, boat example is totally irrelevant.

On a boat weight swinging to the right like in the video would indeed create waves

that would probably make boat move back while centrifugal force would pull it forward

so i guess it would oscillate in place. Again, not relevant.

nix85

Quote from: Jerry Volland on March 26, 2021, 12:19:17 PM
A successful Inertial Reaction Propeller must work in a variety of environments - on land and snow (or ice), on and under water, in the air, and in space.  So what a particular system will do on a small boat is a relevant question.


The slanted pendulum moves the cart as a reaction to the cart's Inertia pulling the pendulum mass into a curve.  The cart's Inertia applies an action force against the pendulum mass, and experiences an equal but opposite reaction force.  The pendulum mass experiences a resultant force.  This resultant force is attenuated, and dissipated by the perpendicular action of gravity (or a magnet under the cart). Sometimes, there is a torque effect which moves the cart backwards as the pendulum swings through a small angle, but this angle is less than that of the pendulum's total travel.  So the cart's centrifugal reaction - felt by the cart - is greater than the torque counter vector, and the cart moves forwards overall.


Another thing to consider is that when the pendulum changes direction at the bottom of it's swing, and starts back up, it's downwards momentum is released, producing a momentary downwards pulse.  This isn't obvious with the cart, but were the pendulum suspension post to be mounted on a small boat, rather than the cart, this downwards impulse would push the front of the boat down into the water a little.  Then, the floation angle will cause the boat to 'float' forwards a small distance.  This will be in addition to the centrifugal reaction movement.  Also, if the back of the boat is flat, this would inhibit the reverse torque movement.  But the boat would still move incrementally, rather than with  smooth acceleration.


You can verify the 'float' effect by kicking downwards while standing in the front of a rowboat.  The boat WILL move forward.  (edit): This forwards movement will last longer if you keep applying a downwards force by slowly rolling your chest upwards, while inhaling.

No, it's not relevant. First of all that cart with slanted pendulum is not the most proper representation of the principle. Pendulum should be at right angle to the axis not slanted. Therefore how that particular cart would act on water is totally irrelevant.

As for the rest of your post it's just totally off, as if i did not literally draw the basic principle so a child can understand it.

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As long as weights swing on one side cart will accelerate in that direction even to near speed of light, in free space or any medium.

George1

To nix85.
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1) But nix85, you are sensitive as if more than necessary to even the slightest form of expressing criticism and/or doubt. Please keep in mind that this principle of operation is new for us and it is normal sometimes to ask, let's say to some extent, stupid questions. :)
2) And what about this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoW0A8hYs5A ? Let us replace the toy-boat with a permanent magnet hoverboard. No waves now. The whole installation oscillating in place?
   

nix85

Quote from: George1 on March 27, 2021, 06:39:20 AM
To nix85.
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1) But nix85, you are sensitive as if more than necessary to even the slightest form of expressing criticism and/or doubt. Please keep in mind that this principle of operation is new for us and it is normal sometimes to ask, let's say to some extent, stupid questions. :)
2) And what about this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoW0A8hYs5A ? Let us replace the toy-boat with a permanent magnet hoverboard. No waves now. The whole installation oscillating in place?



Not sensitive but having little tolerance for (intentional?) junk that obscures the simple truth.

I stressed clearly many times already "in all mediums" and again you ask the same.